Jeep Commander

[optical]

This post is in this section as its more of a XJ topic

Decided to take a look at my local jeep dealer today and sus out the new commander. One of the guys came out and i let him know i was just looking and wasnt buying.

The dude was fairly cool and we just chatted about it and he was saying that Jeep were aiming this towards the old school jeep owners, ie the XJ mob. He reckons they had lost a few fans after the release of the KJ and that jeep was trying to get them back with this latest model - they will be pushing this one fairly hard

Its one of those cars you have to see in the flesh and have a closer inspection on, i think it will grow on me much the same as the XJ & KJ did (and i ended up getting an XJ!!)

The car has a few nifty things from moon roofs, to 7 seats etc and apparently a nicer feel to it with better driving possy compared to the grands etc. Spewing it has IFS tho

Whats everyone elses thoughts on this model ?

[Breyten]

Too much ass.
And those headlights.... first gravel road and you'll get chips, cracks and breakages.

[Jack]

Yeah, rear departure angle is pretty disappointing. The headlight shape gives it a sad, dopey look. Personally I can't see the Commander being a big success as it just looks weird.

The front end could be changed fairly easy on the next upgrade, but that rear bumper will always be its achilles heel off-road.

[tonyl]

yet to have a good look but drove past the dealer yesterday and I'm off to my acountant they look great just hope the taxman will pay for it

[salesguy]

Commander is aimed mainly at those who buy Prados, Pajeros, LandCruisers and Patrols. There's absolutely no doubt that out-of-the-box the Commander will outperform those vehicles off-road and on.
If you're expecting it to go where a TJ does, you'll be disappointed. But if you want to carry more stuff, tow, in comfort, this beastie will leave you with a big smile on your face.
I love it.

[FSJ]

I love it.

surprise, surprise!

i saw one pull into the brookvale dealer the other day - a lot of plastic chrome, sharp angles - it kinda turned me off it a bit - then thought to myself that it looks a bit like a big rig for mums - im not sure what message this jeep sends - reminiscent of when i originally liked the kj - now i cant stand it.

[Dan96XJ]

so reckon the commander should have its own section in the forum or part of the cherokee? prolly depends on how many get a commander soon LOL

[tinarse]

When are the yanks gunna get a sense of style...that thing (commander) looks bloody aweful, to me anyway!
Wannabe Hummer...Why you'd wanna look like a Hummer is anyones guess.

[salesguy]

When are the yanks gunna get a sense of style...that thing (commander) looks bloody aweful, to me anyway!
Wannabe Hummer...Why you'd wanna look like a Hummer is anyones guess.

Dood you need a history lesson.

Have a look at an XJ. Then tell me that the Commander looks like a Hummer.

Geez, Jeep can't take a trick. They build a stylish, super capable wagon called Grand Cherokee and everyone bags it because it looks too soft compared to the XJ it was supposed to replace. Then they bring back something that looks just like the XJ, only bigger, and everyone now says 'it's too boxy, it looks like a Hummer'.

Go buy a bloody Toymota. See if I care.

[Matty ducati]

Dood you need a history lesson.

Have a look at an XJ. Then tell me that the Commander looks like a Hummer.

Geez, Jeep can't take a trick. They build a stylish, super capable wagon called Grand Cherokee and everyone bags it because it looks too soft compared to the XJ it was supposed to replace. Then they bring back something that looks just like the XJ, only bigger, and everyone now says 'it's too boxy, it looks like a Hummer'.

Go buy a bloody Toymota. See if I care.


Dude its not good looking... its that simple!
Not to me anyhows.;)

[tinarse]

Dood you need a history lesson.

Have a look at an XJ. Then tell me that the Commander looks like a Hummer.

Geez, Jeep can't take a trick. They build a stylish, super capable wagon called Grand Cherokee and everyone bags it because it looks too soft compared to the XJ it was supposed to replace. Then they bring back something that looks just like the XJ, only bigger, and everyone now says 'it's too boxy, it looks like a Hummer'.

Go buy a bloody Toymota. See if I care.

Hey,
Seeing that I've stirred you up I might take it a little further in saying that when considering the worlds (thats worlds, not america's) oil resource stocks, that the commanders design, petrol engine size, and poor aero dynamics represent irresponsible and regressive thinking...
By the way I didn't bag the new grand' and actually purchaced a CRD 05' KJ despite the brands woeful quality, drive, and engineering record as I believed jeep were on a new, more progressive path! I was wrong, it seems even with the merc' influence that jeep are still stuck in a time warp and as such will fail to catch-up, keep-up and be competetive with the likes of "Toymota", as you put it. :hammer:

[Dan96XJ]

well I heard GM are apparently pulling the plug on Hummer production (anyone know anything of this?) if this is so, maybe the commander will capitilise on that market? Just guessing out loud.

The commander lifted with 33+s looks okay from what ive seen, ill have to see one up close to finalise the decison on whether i like it or not. Photos are not doing much for me to be honest.

[Gojeep]

well I heard GM are apparently pulling the plug on Hummer production (anyone know anything of this?) if this is so, maybe the commander will capitilise on that market? Just guessing out loud.

The commander lifted with 33+s looks okay from what ive seen, ill have to see one up close to finalise the decison on whether i like it or not. Photos are not doing much for me to be honest.

Only the H1 is being stopped not the H2 and H3 which are just bodies on other Chev platforms.

[AussieRCBasher]

i believe the boxy look is comming back.. the newest nissan patrol is going back boxy'ish and it may only be me but here in Adelaide there seems to be more older 4wds than there has ever been b4.. and by older its the Mavs, patrols and jeep shapes.. i dont think most people are worryed to much about fuel if there is more now than b4.

[optical]

The commander lifted with 33+s looks okay from what ive seen


pics or stfu !!

[FSJ]

Then they bring back something that looks just like the XJ, only bigger, and everyone now says 'it's too boxy, it looks like a Hummer'.

you mean a poor imitation of a bigger xj.

- still cant believe they scrapped that rig for the kj!

[Snapey]

Whoa there fellas! We're all entitled to our opinions - we can at least agree on that. And Optical, I don't think your last post will help any - although it's a good point. Dan if you have any pics or a link could you post it for me please?

I had a look at the Commander and think that for serious off roaders it would be a bit like buying and F250 - just a bit big. But then maybe that's just the way it looks. So far as Jeeps lack of technology I'm not phased - if I wanted a car that handled like a sports car I would buy a Lotus! But then since I drive a race car which has major components dating back to the mid 1920's and a pre war 4cyl Jeep engine I'm bound to like the old stuff.

My final word on the Commander? I said "Yeah that's OK - I'd have it in the driveway." My wife said "I love it!" I told the sales guy what we do with our XJ and he pointed me at the Wrangler!

I would like a look at the new 'long' wrangler though. 100" wheel base and 4 doors - now that could be interesting!

[AussieRCBasher]

after seeing this pic i must say "ME WANT ONE!!!"

http://spanish.autoblog.com/images/2005/11/jeep%20commander2.jpg

[AussieRCBasher]

OH and this!!

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/112_05sema_jeep_polar01_s.jpg

http://img150.exs.cx/img150/3793/rescue3bl.jpg

[Jeff]

Bling version:

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05october/superlift/xk_grass_650.jpg

[Nevermind]

Bling version:

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05october/superlift/xk_grass_650.jpg

Tell me that's not IFS up front.

[AussieRCBasher]

im affraid it is.

[Snapey]

I might just be my sceptic self talking but that photo looks fake to me... or did we know that already? Thinking the wheels belong to something else.

[AussieRCBasher]

whys that?? because all under the guards is pitch black and u cant see anything??

[Snapey]

No - the reflection on the side of the truck looks like a standard one that you get in a 3D drafting package that I use. Plus if your car was that shiny wouldn't you black the tyres? Also the line where the guards pass over the tyre tread just looks wrong.. and actually that front tyre looks like it's touching the guard...

[Matty ducati]

OH and this!!

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/112_05sema_jeep_polar01_s.jpg

http://img150.exs.cx/img150/3793/rescue3bl.jpg

That last one looks like the new wrangler??

They do look good with 33s.

[AussieRCBasher]

yeh sorry i only just noticed that after someone said that there is the new wrangler comming out. they do look similar tho just its a bit more baxy

[optical]

i have to say they do look good, even the 'fake' bling one

shame about the IFS tho

[Jeff]

Not fake - http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05october/superlift_xkwk.asp

[Dan96XJ]

yeah those are the pics ive seen.

[Fouros]

yup its IFS its the same system used in the new grands

[Jeff]

Clearance is pretty good for IFS, nice thick arms to bash against the rocks :)

[Wooders]

IFS.....Independant Frikken Suspension....ruins it for me......

[Jeff]

mogs would fit nicely under there ;)

[TUNGSTEN]

The green coloured one isn't actually a commander though is it ?I think it was the concept vehicle.It's a shame the hurricane didn't end up with some variant going into production.

[Dan96XJ]

The green coloured one isn't actually a commander though is it ?I think it was the concept vehicle.It's a shame the hurricane didn't end up with some variant going into production.

i think your right, it was a Willys or something?

couple of more i thinks, then it will etched in stone LOL

[Fouros]

that green one is the Rescue concept

[PK]

Had 2 Commanders at the MJOC meeting last night - very, very nice, much better in the flesh than pics.

[Tasar]

Had 2 Commanders at the MJOC meeting last night - very, very nice, much better in the flesh than pics.


MMMM Flesh - what fab looking cars up close - if I had 3 or 4 kids they'd be a must but the Wg is fine - for now :)

[Jack]

IFS.....Independant Frikken Suspension....ruins it for me......
Isn't the Commander being marketed toward the touring buyer who would probably refer the IFS ride quality for that application? For owners who are after a live axle flexing machine - well, there's the Unlimited for them.

[brizXJ]

Salesguy..I'm interested in your comment..... "Commander is aimed mainly at those who buy Prados, Pajeros, LandCruisers and Patrols. There's absolutely no doubt that out-of-the-box the Commander will outperform those vehicles off-road and on".....thats one hell of a claim but no doubt you have good reason to say so....can you share it with us?

[Tasar]

They have been tested at werribee by some of the dealers and they put the prado to shame on the 45 degree slope - that was the 4.7 quada trac not the 3.0d quadadrive....


Go on go and have a test drive - they are very nice

[Jack]

I took the family for a drive to Holland Park today to have a close-up look at a CRD Commander. Missus is definately not interested in it. She dislikes the styling (inside and outside), and thought the exposed hex drive screws extremely tacky. Rear cargo area isn't really flat and it's very high to load into.

After seeing the third row seats, I think it's probably false advertising to claim it can seat seven adults. Man, those seats are tiny and I doubt the kids would be comfortable on them. Swab looks to be around 12" long!

So we dismissed the Commander and we wandered through the yard looking at all the other Jeeps. She spent some time in the used section and had a long look at a dark blue WJ Overland. Seemed to be in good nick, but we have a strong preference for a turbo diesel.

Mmmm, I think we might end up buying a CRD WG overland or limited. :)

Jack

[brizXJ]

My XJ is a bit long in the tooth now and I have been considdering replacing it, hence, I was very interesting to hear that the new Commander will out perform 'Cruisers and Patrols, 'out of the box', just the sort of thing that would make me consider buying one..I have not seen any definitive road tests at this point in time....does anyone know where this comes from??

[puzzell]

i went to the jeep dealship wher ei bought my jeep in wannaroo and had a look and the commander nice car but i am just a bit worried about the depatuer angle has a big ass and when thoes rear seats are up there is no boot space for anything also the is no room at all under the bonet for second batt in the desiel it has the bigest batt i have ever seen under there but that wont help when you flaten it with you fridge and camp lights nicely ladied out in side power outlets front and back as well as smoke lighter up front would have to take one off road before i think i would buy one any way the my 2 cents
your in jeepin
puzzell

[Nigel]

You just have to look at how Quadradrive II works three infinitely variable fully locking diffs, departure angle is as good or better than any other medium sized wagon (or large) on the market and the suspension is designed to cop abuse. IFS makes it smoother over rough and corrugated roads and still flexes well enough off-road (remembering it has locking diffs) finally 90% of all Commanders coming are diesel which has more power, more torque and better fuel economy than any other diesel motor on the market, just read the specs and compare- but don not expect an australian road test to be favourable- just read the thread on GC chassis's cracking, if Australian Journalists can't actually pick a fault with a Jeep they will make one up.

[brizXJ]

Well...the information that threatened to kill the cat got the better of me so down we went to to the local dealer today, hoping like hell there was no oen there!!
My thoughts...firstly it looked a little smaller then I had thought it would be...I have to say, I am impressed, let me also say that I have no interest in climbing Ayres Rock....a couple of things stood out...it looks great, reminenscent of earlier Cherokees...it does have that attractive square look this is the reason why I brought my Xj so many years ago..the exposed allen head screws on the mudguards can be either loved or hated..we now have disks all round and we also have a spare (full size) hanging underneath (some of us will see the positive side of that, ie stick it on a carrier and put a larger fuel tank in its place maybe!)...it has a almost completly flat, no hang up floor and although it does have IFS, is that McPherson Struts under there??.
Ok, the extra seats will be a tight fit for anyone over 5 foot tall but again, can some of us see the possibility of taking them out?....more room for the camping gear....no tow bar, but the wiring harness is there...all ready....in fact about the only thing I was not real impressed with was the single recover hook on the front...in my humble opinion a mono chassis vehicle shout have two..

[salesguy]

The back seats are pretty easy to remove and reveal a long. flat floor. I have no need for any more than two seats, but I really like the size of the overall package.

So the third row seats would come out and it would be very easy to put a roller drawer set-up in there complete with 2nd battery.

The front end is a SLAS, not MacPherson strut. Mac struts have no place in anything except a lightweight, front wheel drive econobox. Basically, the idea behind a Mac strut was to use the least number of components and space possible. The strut replaces the normal upper link. In a SLAS, you have an upper wishbone, which locates the top balljoint and provides much, much better geometry control and strength. The lower arms are much different, too. Falcons have a SLAS front end, Commodores Mac strut.

[Grant]

I have to admit that the two Commanders that we had at club meeting last week even my wife fell in love with them. yes they are boxy looking but that is one of the things that set Jeep apart from the Rice Burner rubbish that haunts the suburban shopping centres, with their so called stylish lines and other such rot. Give me rugged and an agressive look anytime
And yes the Hummer is being phazed out as their biggest market (US military) have lost the contract. So now they have to try to save them by prodicing for the civilian market

[optical]

does anyone have one yet ?

or anyone on AJOR for that matter ?

[Tasar]

There was one driving along High st road ashburton today at 6pm

so that would be yes

[AussieRCBasher]

i havnt seen anyone on the forum with one yet tho i have seen atleast 4 on the streets on Adelaide..

[Mutt]

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/coverage/112_05sema_jeep_polar01_s.jpg

That's the AEV rig with 38s. Every Commander I've seen so far has been ugly, but that thing leaves me with sweaty palms.

[AussieRCBasher]

Nice pick but a repost.. it was on page 3.. haha.

[Mutt]

Nice pick but a repost.. it was on page 3.. haha.

Thanks for pointing that out, I copied the properties from page 3 and reposted it here.

Oh wait, now I see you're seventeen............nevermind.

[Tommo]

The metallic green think looks ok, bit hummer-esque though.
The ones I've seen around look too square - fugly. Almost as ugly as the new LR Discovery but not quite.

[AussieRCBasher]

Thanks for pointing that out, I copied the properties from page 3 and reposted it here.

Oh wait, now I see you're seventeen............nevermind.

wtf has 17 got to do with it.. so what im younger than alot of other people on this forum who cares..

[Tommo]

I don't think that's a recovery hook on the front... it's a tie down for when it's on the ship. I don't think it's rated... It looks like the same thing on my old cruiser... as in don't snatch off it.

[AussieRCBasher]

im not sure what time your show might have been on.. but they just had a car review on tv for the commander.. the seating is still crappy and u cant see out the rear vision mirror without seats being in the line of sight... the storage area is still poor. and they recon the looks are really crap for a new car but other than that they recon it has good fuel economy, power and great power steering..

[Dan96XJ]

i saw a pretty mediorce review on 4x4 Australia mag. it didnt suprise me, cos I think the centre of origin for jeep haters is in Australia. maybe one the day the prejudice will reduce....but then again, i dont really give a rats, cos i drive what i enjoy, and dont think japcrap can acomodate that for me.

[Jeepdownunder]

Jury Still Out?

[brizXJ]

Not a good write-up in the Australian 4 x 4 Monthly........they done a compario between the Commander and some of the popular makes.....the Prado is hard to beat for sure...someone on this forum said that the Commander is better 'straight out of the box'...it doesnt appear to be.

[Tasar]

Sorry its a jeep so that mag would always pic the rice burner - even if the jeep had to pull it out

only 2 issues with the commander are looks and rear visibility

in my eyes the same issues that prado has

[brizXJ]

Tasar, I thought the compario was quite good actually, I have always found this magazine to be fair and very impartial with their road tests. I am aware of a number of 'non- rice burners' that have received accolades, ie Ford Teritory......Land Rover Discovery....Mercedes Benz...and certainly many Japanese models, perhaps because they are in fact, quite good.
They do not always say what us Jeep owners want to hear and I would be very dissppointed if they did.
If a Prado or the new Pathfinder is more capable off road as they tested it then that is exactly what they should say...it doesnt mean I am going to race out and sell my Jeep....horses for courses. They did say that the new engine is excellent.

[Tasar]

will have a good read of the article and let you know

as long the compare are comparing cars that are same price - the commander is much better value for money - on stuff like 4x4 systems - traction control etc and internal fittings

as we know tyres can make a big difference

[AussieRCBasher]

the show i saw didnt bag it at all for its drivetrain, power or 4wd system.. they actually said it was great.. it was the looks and interior items which put them off..

they rated it with range rovers and it came up 5-15g cheaper than those models.

[palla]

They did say something about low slung front end and snow shovel thou.

[FSJ]

Salesguy..I'm interested in your comment..... "Commander is aimed mainly at those who buy Prados, Pajeros, LandCruisers and Patrols. There's absolutely no doubt that out-of-the-box the Commander will outperform those vehicles off-road and on".....thats one hell of a claim but no doubt you have good reason to say so....can you share it with us?

he sells them.

[jcianci]

jack it up, (dont ask me how) put 33 inch claws on it, and it will look awesome. I remember when my xj was stock. It looked like a volvo. Now it looks tough. Just about any 4x4 looks good when its jacked up.

[Nigel]

Read through the specs, commander has comparable approach and departure angles than any of the competition in the mag and yet, Commander was a shovel?? How does this work. Jeep made the concious decision to sell the car with a lower ride height than would normally be considered for offroad, because most people will not take it offroad, these same magazines ALWAYS state that if you are serious about going offroad in aany of these vehicles then you should upgrade the suspension (except for Landrover/Range Rover, 'coz you can't- oh, still no mention of the fact that they drop to their lowest ride height over 40km/h makes for very slow going on corrugated roads....), so why pick on ride height, surely the fact that the vehicle has the best 'out of the box' traction system is what counts. Prado is a decrepid old piece of junk that breaks at a moments notice and is not particularly capable- ask anyone in the Landcruiser clubs.....

[salesguy]

he sells them.

I guess I'm lucky. I get to drive all kinds of late-model and brand-new 4x4s in my line of work. We've had new Patrols, Pajeros and Range/Land Rovers in the family in the last couple of years. I've spent quality (?) time in all of them.

I know most 'jeepers' don't like anything built after the CJ7, hell, only recently has it become acceptable to drive a built TJ. But the fact of the matter is that, out-of-the-box, the WH and XH will outperform ANYTHING else even remotely close in price. If WH/XH are too new to gain acceptance amongst the jeep community, so what.

[Superior79]

I find the new Commander rather disappointing! Its still a medium sized car, significantly smaller then the toyo cruiser or a patrol . It’s basically a Jeep grand Cherokee, with a different shell…
I reckon the original XJ’s Good looks came from It’s Athletic (everything proportionally correct especially with respect to the wheel size) and Practical (Kind of like toyo’s 75 series cruiser, but built for speed) Body Shape. The current commander is just too looks focused, rather than being performance or practicality oriented. It’s tough styling is just too pretentious I reckon, it won’t be fooling anyone…
Given the choice, I’d go for the grand Cherokee instead.
I’m getting sick and tired of having to defend jeeps against knob heads at work, constantly bagging jeeps, and claiming “Cruisers & Patrols are the world’s best 4wd, since all the mining companies ever only use them”. Regardless of how many times I have explained to them, that Toyota and Nissan have a much greater commercial presence in the bush, and It’s the CEO’s that sign the brand loyalty agreements.
I just see it an opportunity wasted to have honest full-size work truck brought into the range.
I hope the new 4 door wrangler unlimited, will finally fill in this gap…

And they better come in fast, since my XJ is on it’s last legs….

[FRANK.A]

I have two jeeps a 96 sport and a crd 65th commander both i love to bits.
I live in tom price western australia both my jeeps are used as offroad vehicles if I knew how to post pics on here i would.
I took the commander out yesterday into the desert and as usual there was no stopping it, yes i agree it needs to be lifted in the front. and the vision out back isnt that good, but as far as economy and offroading up here she goes great.very quick on the highway and smooth.
I have put cooper 245/70/r17 st tyres on mine and it has lifted it up a couple of inches.

yes I know it has faults as do most cars, but the commander is the one I wanted and I am more than happy with it.
it gets lots of looks and comments from nissan and tojo owners and I think some may even look to getting a commander.

I really think jeep owners are a special breed they buy jeeps because they want them.
just remember the jeep was around long before the "hummer"
what was that saying by chrysler? "dont follow the leader, drive it"
well thats my 10 cents worth, I have lived up here for over 25 years and drive on dirt roads all the time for a living ,its how you drive your vehicle that determines how good it performs.

[brizXJ]

Great to hear from you Frank...how do you go for service at Tom Price?...is there a Jeep dealer located in that part of woop woop?? :)

[FRANK.A]

nearest jeep dealer is in geraldton so i just go back to where i got it from at chellingworth motors in perth Ive just had my first service aboyt a month ago thats when i put on the coopers as well got a good deal from tyrepower in subiaco 6 tyres fitted and and wheel alignment and balancing 1600 dollars the lot. wes pretty happy with that for cooper sure trac tyres.
we only have a couple of places here now that do services but charge like wounded bulls.
nothing at the shell anymore only fuel and snacks.

I just got the latest australian 4wd mag and it features the commanders, they say the suspension is not good for offroad , some of our roads are pretty rough and i havent had a problem with my commander or 96 sport that has cooper stt tyres on it.

so I dont know how they come to these conclusions, oh well Im happy with mine.

So how do you put pictures on here???? anyone.

[CRDSTU]

I'll be getting a CRD Commander one day, if the price is good ;)

[yumpet]

what diffs does the commander run?

anyone got any good pics of one lifted, that aint posing

[salesguy]

what diffs does the commander run?

anyone got any good pics of one lifted, that aint posing

AAM/Corporate.

Jeep only use Dana for JK, there's been a major falling out between Chrysler and Dana over the ZJ then WJ debarcle. Probably doesn't help that Dana is bankrupt.

[signwilson]

I was reading an american report and they said that the commander was only to be manufactured until 2009 then discontinued from I see it looks like the yanks are dumping all their failures on us

[Nigel]

?? When Commander is discontinued, it will be discontinued so everyone will get it, then it will stop- how is that dumping anything on us???

it's not as if it isn't available anywhere else.....

[Jeeptheone]

I am dissapointed that the Commander is being discontinued as I think its built off a great platform that the Grand performs on. Still a good 7 seater for a family and its retro looks are all the go in Detriot. If it was not for the fact that we bought the Grand first the wife would have preferred the Commander.

Maybe the marketing failed and the fuel prices but the design, styling and the interest in OZ was spot on. People wanted a 7 seater that was not a tank, drank 20 ltrs per 100kms but still had a bold statement to make.

Look at the Prado and the Hummer, needed to replicate the 7 slot grille because most people associate it with a Jeep. A survey in the US and the law suit that Jeep did with the grille was surprising as nearly all people surveyed on the Hummer grille said it was a Jeep! Marketing and brand recognition at its best!!!!!

All Jeeps are good Jeeps, just depends on your own experience.

JTO

[jammy jeep]

Maybe if they sold the diesel ones over there, it wouldn't be such an issue. I heard someone on this board saying recently that one of the reasons they don't have diesel over there is it costs 50cents a gallon more (~12.5 cents/litre). At the moment here in Canberra, there is around a 20 cent difference in price per litre, but it still doesn't stop the diesel being way more economical.

[salesguy]

Commander's doing just fine, the Yanks are getting the CRDs this year. Average transaction prices are higher ( so are margins ) than Grand Cherokee. Commander will be around for a long time yet.