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Tinyprins 10-03-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanLuke (Post 1647049)
I went back through this thread and I couldn't see if you had monitored fuel rail pressure while attempting to start. Have you done this? It can give a clue where to start looking.

The other thing to monitor is ECU voltage when cranking.

Ive done the fuel pressure monitor the other day very bad max 80bar on crank

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Tinyprins 10-03-2019 05:24 PM

Heres the resulthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dffc8ff060.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...998f451255.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...343f3763d4.jpg

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JeanLuke 10-03-2019 05:26 PM

And the engine was running?! That's not right.

Oh, wait... Misread the display.

JeanLuke 10-03-2019 05:28 PM

It won't attempt to fire until it reaches 240 bar. How long are you cranking?

JeanLuke 10-03-2019 05:34 PM

Try two things...
1/ an extended crank while watching the pressure. Is it climbing? Crank for 15 seconds or so. If the pressure is climbing, go a little longer, but not too much.
2/ get an assistant to crank while you closely watch the lines for bubbles. Watch especially the input of the HP pump.

Tinyprins 10-03-2019 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanLuke (Post 1647055)
Try two things...
1/ an extended crank while watching the pressure. Is it climbing? Crank for 15 seconds or so. If the pressure is climbing, go a little longer, but not too much.
2/ get an assistant to crank while you closely watch the lines for bubbles. Watch especially the input of the HP pump.

I have cranked it for about 20 sec for it to reach that pressure ..when giving quick start it fires up instantly and runs smooth ..

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Tinyprins 10-03-2019 10:24 PM

No air bubbles present im running a diesel line from an bottle hanging from the bonnet as the feed line into the filter

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Tinyprins 23-03-2019 04:14 AM

So i have used a fuel rail from a running jeep 2.7 complete with regulator and sensor and still nothing ..i have installed the crank sensor cam sensor fuel rail diesel pump fuel lines all on the other jeep and it runs and starts first time ..mine still does not want to start by itself the fuel pressure now reads a max of 120bar on cranking and spray easy start it fires up

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JeanLuke 23-03-2019 05:27 AM

It really sounds like a faulty injector

5oclock 23-03-2019 02:19 PM

Not much else it could be, you would think.

bodgie 23-03-2019 09:20 PM

Try disconnecting the fuel return line from injectors. If the volume of return fuel is high, it will create problems with the fuel pressure regulator which may be what's creating your problem.

Quick and easy test.

Tinyprins 27-03-2019 05:37 AM

Brand new injectors ..will send them to bosch and have the checked out ..cant think its injectors once its running its smooth and very little smoke

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bodgie 27-03-2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinyprins (Post 1647668)
Brand new injectors ..will send them to bosch and have the checked out ..cant think its injectors once its running its smooth and very little smoke

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When one (or two) of my injectors failed the car was seemingly running perfectly, then it wasn't. It would not start to save it's life so never say never.

Jason

Tinyprins 27-03-2019 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bodgie (Post 1647696)
When one (or two) of my injectors failed the car was seemingly running perfectly, then it wasn't. It would not start to save it's life so never say never.



Jason

I will have them checked

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Tinyprins 27-03-2019 06:57 PM

These are what i got https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2812f8a9eb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e1bc5e423d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0319c4ba48.jpg

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Adrian D 27-03-2019 07:26 PM

Seems like it fails to get enough pressure for starting.

I did not go through the entire topic but as usual culprits:
- Air in the system
- Injector(s) with high leak-off
- Worn out high-pressure pump
- Internally leaking fuel pressure regulator

Tinyprins 27-03-2019 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian D (Post 1647712)
Seems like it fails to get enough pressure for starting.



I did not go through the entire topic but as usual culprits:

- Air in the system

- Injector(s) with high leak-off

- Worn out high-pressure pump

- Internally leaking fuel pressure regulator

Im back to checking air in the system as the pump injectors regulator and sensor are new

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Tinyprins 27-03-2019 10:31 PM

This jeep is standing since august last year the list of parts purchased are endless but still just cranking

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Tinyprins 28-03-2019 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bodgie (Post 1647508)
Try disconnecting the fuel return line from injectors. If the volume of return fuel is high, it will create problems with the fuel pressure regulator which may be what's creating your problem.



Quick and easy test.

You mean i should disconnect it at the rail and plug it

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Tinyprins 30-03-2019 02:11 PM

Whats the best procedure to bleeding the system

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JeanLuke 30-03-2019 09:25 PM

You prime it with a hand vacuum pump (or squeeze bulb) via the priming valve on top of the engine. The system self bleeds from there.

Tinyprins 30-03-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanLuke (Post 1647862)
You prime it with a hand vacuum pump (or squeeze bulb) via the priming valve on top of the engine. The system self bleeds from there.

Transparent pipe shows air from the filter ive installed a mann filter new orings and pipes again air stays at the filter

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JeanLuke 30-03-2019 09:39 PM

Try replacing the rubber hoses that join back to the steel on the firewall. You can pick them up for a few bucks from the likes of Repco, Supercheap or Autobarn. They are a common source of air leakage. Others have installed check valves in the suction line before the filter.

Tinyprins 31-03-2019 03:11 AM

Back to this darn error code p1130https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cac263a0ce.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2160d88714.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fbebd90dcd.jpg

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JeanLuke 01-04-2019 07:15 PM

Regulator at 88% at idle looks wrong. It should be around 20%.

bodgie 01-04-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinyprins (Post 1647722)
You mean i should disconnect it at the rail and plug it

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Sorry for the slow reply. If you disconnect the fuel return lines from the reg, or remove them from the injectors as a quick and dirty test you won't make much mess. I wouldn't block it, preferably drain in into a contain or use a leak back test kit.

The idea is to see if the volume of return fuel is telling the reg to shut down the engine.

Tinyprins 01-04-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bodgie (Post 1647922)
Sorry for the slow reply. If you disconnect the fuel return lines from the reg, or remove them from the injectors as a quick and dirty test you won't make much mess. I wouldn't block it, preferably drain in into a contain or use a leak back test kit.



The idea is to see if the volume of return fuel is telling the reg to shut down the engine.

Ive put transparent lines on and its drawing in air from the filter new filter and new lines and orings ..can it be from the pipe coming from the tank? Had an air issue since i removed the tank?

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Tinyprins 01-04-2019 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodgie (Post 1647922)
Sorry for the slow reply. If you disconnect the fuel return lines from the reg, or remove them from the injectors as a quick and dirty test you won't make much mess. I wouldn't block it, preferably drain in into a contain or use a leak back test kit.



The idea is to see if the volume of return fuel is telling the reg to shut down the engine.

The valve on the filter can that cause an air leak ive heard about them giving trouble and best to blank it on filter and connect the return line straight

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Tinyprins 01-04-2019 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanLuke (Post 1647919)
Regulator at 88% at idle looks wrong. It should be around 20%.

If i give it more throttle it drops down

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Tinyprins 01-04-2019 08:38 PM

Its goes down once revs go uphttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b07451bdca.jpg

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Tinyprins 01-04-2019 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanLuke (Post 1647919)
Regulator at 88% at idle looks wrong. It should be around 20%.

It idles smooth ..only when the bubbles apear it runs rough .
Took it for a drive and it goes well until the air is to much and it dies

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Tinyprins 01-04-2019 08:46 PM

What will cause the regulator to work other way round? Air?

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Tinyprins 04-04-2019 05:46 PM

Does anyone have a diagram of the fuel lines from the tank to the engine?

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JeanLuke 04-04-2019 08:15 PM

The best place to look would be the parts manual.

Tinyprins 07-04-2019 06:10 PM

So i did a leak off test and the culprit looks like the pressure regulator at crank it gives to much diesel . I will purchase yet another one and see what is the result

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Tinyprins 09-04-2019 05:30 AM

I ordered a new fuel pressure regulator from bosch coming later this week

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Tinyprins 09-04-2019 11:35 PM

Quickest any part has ever taken to arrive ..got the new regulator

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Tinyprins 11-04-2019 09:51 PM

I have replaced the regulator and primed the system cranked a few seconds and started let it run a bit and switched it off and tried starting it again fired up first time ..cant believe it starts on its own
Ive let it tick over for a while now its got the grunting gallop idle sounds like its missing gave it a bit of revs still the miss is there

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Tinyprins 11-04-2019 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodgie (Post 1647922)
Sorry for the slow reply. If you disconnect the fuel return lines from the reg, or remove them from the injectors as a quick and dirty test you won't make much mess. I wouldn't block it, preferably drain in into a contain or use a leak back test kit.



The idea is to see if the volume of return fuel is telling the reg to shut down the engine.

Ive done that test and it showed that on crank the reg is letting to much diesel out

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Tinyprins 14-04-2019 08:45 AM

So the hunt continues with new symptoms now ..installed new bosch fuel pressure regulator together with new bosch feul pressure sensor.. started right up after bleeding the system.. i can switch it off and start it again it fires up first time ..but it looks like its overfueling the engine doesnt sounds happy its the idling is not smooth even on higher rpm if i keep the revs steady i can hear the engine missfiring the diagnostics only shows all injector values jumping up and down fuel pressure aswell the return line pulses diesel out and stops and pulses and stops not a slow steady flow??..it sounds and idles like theres air in the system but the engine is much noisier
Any advice as im stumped because everything has been changed new again and clear fuel lines doesnt show air in the system?

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