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This is going to sound funny but starting has never been a problem so long as there is enough power to engage to solinoid it has aways started fine. It is the reserve capacity that it the problem and had 100 mintues on the last battery that lasted 3 years trouble free but the new one is 80 minutes RC and that is when the problems began. I dont use a fridge or a winch or even light when caming off the battery so that is not the problem. Just the draw from the trip computer, radio memory and the car computer it'self.
The place I bought the battery off has been closed the last 2 weeks due to illness but say it will open again next week. I hope to sort something out then with them as I want a refund for this one as I questioned the lower RC before I bought it and was told all would be fine as it is just a different sticker on the same battery as the one I had! :eek:
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Wooders,

I was referring to generic industrial Gel Cells rather than Optima types specifically constructed for the purpose, of course these are designed be used that way. Thanks for pointing out the difference.
However, most of the industrial Gel Cells have specific charge and discharge current limits, both of which are usually exceeded in automotive use. A "feature" of gell Cell design is their lower tolerance of extreme currents. Think of rate of chemical reaction limits in gell compared to that in liquid form. Exceeding those limits results in shorter life and may result in pressure build up and explosion.

Just because Optima and Exide have gone to great lengths to adapt and develop Gell Cell technology for specific automotive use does not mean the huge range of lower priced industrial Gell Cells is suitable.

If one ignores space limitations, think how much starting current would be available from liquid lead acid batteries to the same cost as Optima!
Put another way, how many standard liquid L/A batteries can I buy for the same price as one optima.

In practice space is a problem and so is vibration making specialist adapted gell batteries cost a lesser factor in purchase decision.

I had wondered if industrial Gell Cells were the case in GoJeeps battery failure.

I have to admit I have never had a stock battery fail in a short time unless I let it go very flat at least once. Similarly I took my stock battery to Cape York and back over allegdly 5 million corrugations, it didn't fail, but my OME shocks did.

My opinion is that Lead acide batteries of all types fail for a variety of reasons, like shock absorbers, buying expensive ones just makes you feel better..... in my experience they still wear out or fail in remarkably similar time.
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Quote:
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Gel lead acid batteries have discharge/charge current limits so should not be used as a starting battery.
Ummm dxj the Optima is a Gel battery...There is also a Gel Exide - bot work fine as a starting battery.
Personally I have an Optima Yellow top and have been very happy with it's performance.
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with a little work a full size optima will fit itn the tray, or the smaller red top 720cca unit, we stick them in as secondary units on their own tray and run the fridge etc of the deep cycle.

you must run a pair of optimas when on an automatic charging system as they have different internal resistances than other batterie-hench thier fast charging capacity. mis matching them will cause the optima to swell/heat up/generally shit its self in no time.
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