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Hmmmm, yeah Crackles, there's arguments for and against.

The RACV here in Vic (duh) for a long time took a stand against advanced driver training for beginner drivers, as in their view it would only teach young drivers to be better and hence let them all think they were race drivers.

In a manner your arguement is similar.

So how much information is too much? Let the intelligent people know the track ahead is dangerous/steep etc?
Or leave them blisfully unaware until they're in over their head/already stuck at the bottom of a steep/greasy hill?

By marking tracks as black diamond/double diamond, arent you properly forwarning them of what they may be getting themselves into, then at least you cant say 'no-one told you so'.?

That seems the more logical answer to me.

Or then, bugger it, close all the tracks and keep everyone out to save themselves......

And so then to driver training conducted by clubs.

In regards to the legal liability issues, is a club worse off conducting driver training as it perhaps encourages people to be more confident and push their vehicles and themselves, hence potentially getting themselves (and therefore the club) further into the poo? Or is a club better off having educated drivers who may know their vehicles limits? (but still push them anyway, as you will always find in any club).

Should clubs stop doing driver training, in the hope that no one will know how to go offroad, and so not get stuck?

I personally think education and knowledge is better than ignorance and 'figure it out for yourself'. Im sure the clubs and their insurers do too, as does 4wd Victoria, hence the introduction of the track classification system.

My 2c worth anyway, but each to their own.
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how will you grade tracks that you cant get your rig up to actually grade?
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how will you grade tracks that you cant get your rig up to actually grade?
drive yours, thanks for offering.
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what is 4wd vics take on clubs endorsing trips invlolving illegally and highly modified unroadworthy unengineered vehicles ie big tyres ,lift, etc ?

if i am correct these sorts of vehicles degrade tracks alot more than vehicles that are modified within the boundaries of the law .



before you flame me about my own car yes it is engineered and i do have an
engineers certificate .
It would be great if we could receive a formal response from MJOC in relation to this valid point.

Does the organisation condone unroadworthy vehicles?
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Richo track classification requires a number of Key attributes

Namely an experienced 4wder who who has had driver training and preferably trip leader training under a 4wdvic training guidelines

an appreciation for a standard 4wd and its limits

An ability to read DSE Maps and have a UTM GPS

Be willing to give up there own time to ensure there recreational activity is sustainable

Be a member of an Affliated 4wdvic club

I forgot able to read

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