driving with your doors off = cops

[carvesdodo]

Originally Posted by davidd

here's one. if a bloke driving a lamborghii gets pinched for speeding doing 100kph in a 60kph zone, can he plead not guilty and get off by claiming that the car is a high powered sports car and is advertised as being able to do 300kph. that he was only driving in 3rd gear and the hand book said he could do up to 150kph in 3rd, and he was only doing 100. think it would work?

You do have a particular way of displaying your inability to comprehend a situation davidd.

There is clear and conscise rules regarding posted speed limits in Australia.

Nobody has yet to display or link to a clear and conscise "doors on / doors off" rule for Jeep TJ and JK models.

You have been requested to, even in a PM ... as you are the biggest advocate on the thread for keeping the doors on ... and have failed to do so ...

Instead ... you keep dishing up drivel like your lamborghini post.

There are discrepancies in the application of ADRs to all roaduse vehicles ... as I have proven with my motorcycle comments ... That alone would make the Jeep specific door issue debatable and defendable in court ... and if someone has a solicitor owing them a freebie - it could be well worthwhile exploring the possible outcomes.

Prattling on about door hinges and locking mechanisms ... is only relevant if:

A/. The vehicle is structurally dependant on the doors, and perhaps when
B/. Removable doors are fitted on a vehicle, designed to be able to easily remove them.

...... as when there are no doors on a vehicle designed to be operated without doors ... the catches and hinges have no purpose and are irrelevant.

Carrying on about a locating nut or bolt on a Jeep hinge system being a structural component is also a load of crock and misleading. Its no different to suggesting the shipping tie down point on jeeps is a rated, snatch strap point .....

The issue is Jeep specific ... It has nothing to do with monocoque vehicles without chassis, or soft top sports cars that normally need doors to stop then bending in the middle, or 300mph lamborghinis or getting booked for travelling over the posted limit.

Whether or not it is legal to have the doors on or off has still not been shown after nearly 15 pages of posts - because ADRs arent written to deal with a vehicle concept such as a TJ / JK.

[DizzyDi]

OK if TJ's (& possibly JK's) don't have impact protection bars built into the doors per se, how in the hell do they pass this test hmmm ...

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/56B652D4DB712B62CA2570D5001F9EB0/$file/ADR+72-00+[FINAL+FRLI].pdf (that will need to be cut & pasted into browser address bar)


Cut & paste this entire string into browser address bar to get all the ADR's in one spot: http://agsearch.ag.gov.au/clsearch/h...ery=australian design rules&firstDoc=1

[BrisNut]

Originally Posted by DizzyDi

OK if TJ's (& possibly JK's) don't have impact protection bars built into the doors per se, how in the hell do they pass this test hmmm ...

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legi...B0//ADR+72-00+[FINAL+FRLI].pdf (that will need to be cut & pasted into browser address bar)


Cut & paste this entire string into browser address bar to get all the ADR's in one spot: http://agsearch.ag.gov.au/clsearch/h...ery=australian design rules&firstDoc=1

From what I gather they don't need to because their sill height is above a "normal side impact height"
Apparently Sierras don't have sideimpact protection either so are in the same boat, just their doors are a bit harder to get off. Not sure if Patrols and Cruisers have side impact protection or not, but suspect the internal hinge design does cause the door to add a lot more strength to the passenger compartment in most directions, they wouldn't add any value for turret protection of course in rollovers.
Whereas external hinges like Wranglers, Sierras and Defenders have probably pop easily when stressed i any direction rendring any side impact bars less functional and adding minimal strength in other directions.

[Von Depner]

once apon a time there was a JK driver who wanted to drive with his doors off so that he could show the world what a little .............

[davidd]

well tj it's up to 13 pages, two to go!!!!!

[odelay]

A week after I first bought my Jeep I noticed that the rear left door had no nuts in the hinges.
This must mean I can legally take my back left door off.

[Davesjeep]

this thread still going......... cut ur crap take the damn doors off........ it a freaking jeep the doors should be optional extra......... same as roof...... and windscreen............