driving with your doors off = cops

[Mojotec]

Originally Posted by Simsy85

And also strange people keep quoting Main Roads as giving them permission to drive like this.. Its not up to Main Roads, they build the roads, its Transport that set laws etc..

Yeah I had this checked with Qld Transport who gave me the ok... would probably be a good idea to get it in writing though.

[Von Depner]

Hi Davidd Ive ridden a bike for just short of 48years now and still wear open face helmets I had a bad accident with a full face helmet and it cost me close on $ 25000.00 to fix my teeth. and before you say if i was not wearing it i would have no face not true hit the top of my helmet and pushed the bottom part into my jaw. It was a Bell racing helmut and yes i did race bikes. In the old days we never even wore helmets and Im still here. I d agree on baning vespas because they steal the few bike parkings and look like shit.

[nic_nac17]

thanks to all those people out there who know what there talking about you have all been a great help an thank you dizzy i have order'd the relocator brackets an davidd if you want some where to slag off go to a different post because i do think people who post on this site are asking for advice or help people are here for serious shit an not to slag off other people......

[DizzyDi]

Originally Posted by nic_nac17

thanks to all those people out there who know what there talking about you have all been a great help an thank you dizzy i have order'd the relocator brackets

You're very welcome Nic & if you're going to drop that windscreen again then be sure to get a dash mount mirror ... giggles, wonder if a passenger holding a hand mirror would be legal

[DizzyDi]

For the sake of completeness, I went searching for dash mount mirrors. Heaps of options here to befuddle the Constabulary:

Aussie Dash Suction Model: http://www.cassellmarine.com.au/p/86...ction-cap.html

Several UK suction ones available here (presume they would suck on to the top of the smooth dash) http://www.vintagecarparts.co.uk/en/...rror~interior/

MG Dash style: https://www.americanautos.com.au/cgi...tion=TEX-MDT01

Cobra: http://www.python.com.au/main%20home.htm

Boat one but may suffice: http://www.williamsaustralia.com/pro...ror-dash-mount

[yumpet]

David, you seem to have ya panties in a knot over this one, What it comes down to is this, TJs AND JKs were both designed to be driven (and therefore crashed) with no doors or roofs on, whether is is smart/dumb is irrelevant. I personally think riding a motorbike on the road even with a full face helmet is a death sentence, but hey thats just my opinion, i've seen mates killed on bikes more then once so im biased!

If the RTA/DOT says its fine, they why do you care, why should i care??

[BrisNut]

Originally Posted by DizzyDi

Brisnut lmao, you can't go ripping doors off old Holdens & Falcons because they weren't designed to be lifted on & off at whim & weren't complianced that way, Wranglers were.

Were Wranglers, CJ, TJ & JK really complianced to have no doors as an option? Crash tested with doors and without? Has anyone got the info on what on the ADR plate of a Wrangler specifically says it doesn't legally need doors in this country? It would have to be something that says this vehicle was teested to comply to all ADR's without the doors fitted, which of course it couldn't because of no mirrors for a start, but is there something that says with mirror relocation it complies to all ADR standards? If we can find that then we can show that to the cops and they would have to accept it.

I'm thinking it doesn't really exist, and having no doors on a Wrangler is no different than taking them off a Sierra, Defender, SWB40 Cruiser or G60 Patrol, maybe even MQ Shorty. They're all used in other countries without doors and they are just as easy to remove as Wrangler doors and have no intrusion bars.

All we officially have so far is the window stickers shown in this thread, I don't see any references to their ADR compliance for road use in them. To me they more seem about Jeep covering their butt by informing you that the doors don't provide side impact protection, so you can't sue them when you are injured from a side impact, you can't say you didn't know there was no side impact protection, it's the same with the windscreen, they are saying without the windscreen and bars you have reduced rollover protection to cover their butt in court, not to state it's legal to drive like that.

Bottom line is someone takes the doors off and a passenger gets seriously injured or killed and the insurance wipes their hands of it or drags the driver into court because the doors were removed, what can be presented in court to save the drivers butt or liability for the medical bills? What if the injured was a friend or loved one in someone else's vehicle with no doors? The door could be the difference between a wheelchair for life and a limp. I doubt the windscreen stickers in this thread will cut it legally other than absolve Jeep from any blame.