ESP Disable - Take two

[CrazyNuts]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God I hate this country more and more with their STUPID cotton wool wrapping legislation.

[carvesdodo]

Hooning / Donuts and sandspray rooster tails aside ....

Perhaps the circumstances of use, such as outlined by RodXJ and CrazyNuts where vehicle operation was hindered ... causing more environmental damage than a vehicle without these "much needed, safety features" ... the greenies could present the case for such items being an optional / not required / able to be modified item .... ??

[CrazyNuts]

You know what carvesdodo, your signature says it all at the moment.

[BrisNut]

Originally Posted by carvesdodo

Hooning / Donuts and sandspray rooster tails aside ....

Perhaps the circumstances of use, such as outlined by RodXJ and CrazyNuts where vehicle operation was hindered ... causing more environmental damage than a vehicle without these "much needed, safety features" ... the greenies could present the case for such items being an optional / not required / able to be modified item .... ??

Nothing wrong with a little sand fun, it's not like you can compare the damage vehicles do to a beach compared to tidal and storm action over millions of years
I'll thing our greenie friends would be more likely to go with the throttle restriction as most of them tend to believe sand is nearing extinction due to the actions of people wearing the beach out with vehicles and horses :P
Same as the ones that think a few hundred km's of 4x4 tracks are doing anywhere near the damage to the enviroment done by building shopping centres and sportsl fields :P

[carvesdodo]

Heya Brisnut

The point of my comment was ... dont add fuel to the fire when it comes to rabid environmentalist propoganda ...

Use something credible to enlist their services.

[JasperJ]

Originally Posted by glend

At the risk of abuse, if considering ESP mod, better read NCOP (National Code of Practice) Version 2, Section 11: 2.6 at:

http://www.pharosalex.com.au/pages/33acs4.html

basically the new version of NCOP will ban almost any modification to a vehicle equipped by the manufacturer with ESP, ESC, etc; and will disallow disconnection of ESP, ESC, etc.

This is the direction that regulation is taking. Many may disagree (including me) but insurance companies will embrace this.

Let me be clear - I don't like the NCOP position on ESP anymore than anyone else. I have a lift which would be an illegal mod under NCOP Version 2 (because I have ESP) but which I could probably get away with under NCOP Version 1. Its the adding of that section (2.6) of "No mods if you have ESP" that is going to cause problems for people. NCOP Version 2 is still open for public comment and I would hope that the Ausjeep community would jump on the chance to try to influence a re-wording of that section.

While it would have been great to comment on this, the comment period ended on the 30th of April. interesting though is the wording. I know it is a little off topic but

"Therefore unless specifically permitted by the vehicle manufacturer, vehicles equipped with ESC as original equipment, cannot be modified under the Modification Codes contained in this Section of the NCOP as the current codes do not posses sufficient scope to account for all the parameters noted above. "

So am I correct to take it that if there is a MOPAR lift for the Jeep then that would be manufacturer endorsement of a lift of that height being suitable?

Also I like the increase in tyre size to 50 mm for 4wds and not for soft roaders. Bring on the 34's.

[superchicken]

Would this apply to vehicles changed prior to the new laws? Stupid question i know but one to ponder..