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Well as the temperatures have plummeted the Jeep has decided it no likey.

When starting after a cold night outside, it sounds like it is misfiring briefly on startup. Not long enough to bring up the check engine light, but just long enough to sound serious.

Mine has done it in the past, but I determined that was from the fuel vapourisation problem and that was only after leaving it parked in the sun in the hotter weather for about 20 mins. This is after parking it for quite some time.

When hot (ie out at the shops for a bit, come back and start it) it starts perfectly.

Any hints?
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... and of course after posting this morning I go and plug in the laptop and OBD-II scanner and guess what ... it starts fine! Argh!
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This info was on Jeepsunlimited some time ago, I was having the heat soak problem which local jeep dealers seemed unaware of the problem.

You would think servce bulletins would be circulated world wide.

It is still only a partial fix does not completely eradicate the issue. Switching to premium fuel seems to help also.


1801301 - ROUGH IDLE AT COLD TEMPERATURES
Date: 06/11/01


Model Year(s): 2000

Description: Some vehicle engines may exhibit a rough idle and / or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on condition upon initial start-up after a cold soak when temperatures are below 50 degrees F (10 degrees c). This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) with new software (Cal level 00Cal15C).
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1801001 - ROUGH IDLE AT COLD TEMPERATURES
Date: 04/20/01
Model year(s): 2001

Description:THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A 4.0L (ERH) ENGINE BUILT PRIOR TO APRIL 30, 2001 AND CALIBRATION LEVEL PRIOR TO (LESS OR LOWER THAN) THOSE LISTED IN THE OVERVIEW ABOVE. This bulletin involves selectively erasing and reprogramming the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) with new software (WJ/TJ — calibration level 01Cal14C, XJ — calibration level 15B.)

Details: Some vehicle engines may exhibit a rough idle and/or MIL light “on” condition upon initial start-up after a cold soak when temperatures are below 50°F (10°C).
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Some may experience a multiple misfire, here is the tsb for that:

0900303 - 4.0L MULTIPLE CYLINDER MISFIRE
Date: 08/01/03

Model Year(s): 1999-2004

Description: NOTE: THIS BULLETIN APPLIES TO VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A 4.0L ENGINE. This bulletin involves inspection of all engine exhaust valves and a decarbonizing procedure if necessary.

Details: The customer may experience an incident of engine misfire during certain vehicle operating conditions. The misfire may occur when the vehicle is operated between 50 - 70 MPH and under light loading conditions, e.g. slight uphill road grades. This condition may occur at all ambient conditions, but is more noticeable when ambient conditions are less than 0 C (32 F).

If the vehicle is equipped with On-Board Diagnostic (OBD), a MIL illumination may also have occurred due to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) P0300 - Multiple Cylinder Misfire. Various single cylinder misfire DTC’s may also be present. If the frequency of misfire is high the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) may place the engine in “Limp-In” mode.

The misfire condition may be caused by one or more engine exhaust valves that are slow to close. Late closure of an exhaust valve may be the result of no valve rotation and associated build up of carbon on the exhaust valve stem.

This condition may occur when the engine is not allowed to run at engine RPM’s that are greater than 3,200 RPM. At 3,200 RPM or higher the engine exhaust valves will rotate if not impeded by high carbon deposits. Low engine RPM’s and high carbon deposits are associated with short trip driving where the vehicle engine is not allowed to fully warm to normal engine operating temperatures. Cold ambient temperatures will increase engine warm-up time and add to the opportunity of carbon deposit build-up on the stem of the engine exhaust valve.
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1803103 - 4.0L ROUGH ENGINE IDLE AFTER RESTART FOLLOWING A HOT SOAK
Date: 09/05/03 (supercedes 1802702 dated 09/06/02)

Model Year(s): 1999-2004

Description: NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 4.0L engine. This bulletin involves the installation of a fuel injector insulator sleeve.

Details: Customers may describe a 20 to 30 second rough idle following the restart of a heat soaked engine. This condition may be most noticeable when the engine is restarted following a prior 10 to 20 minute heat soak in hot ambient conditions of approximately 32 C (90ºF) or higher. This condition may be consistent with short city stop-and-go driving trips and can be aggravated by the use of fuel with a high ethanol content. Depending upon various conditions a MIL may occur due to DTC P0303 - Cylinder #3 Misfire.

This condition may be caused by heat from the exhaust manifold that following engine shut down migrates to the area around injector #3 and causes fuel vapor to form within the injector. This in turn may cause a momentary misfire of cylinder #3 until the fuel vapor is cleared of injector #3. The insulator sleeve lowers the injector #3 temperature to a point below which the fuel will not normally vaporize.

If vehicle exhibits a rough idle, and if a misfire of cylinder #3 is observed following a 10 to 20 minute hot soak, perform the Repair Procedure.

Parts required:
56028371AA Ignition Wire Shield

Repair procedure:
1. Cut insulator sleeve, p/n 56028371AA, to make two (2) insulator sleeves about 25-30 mm (1 in.) in length. See diagram.
2. Install one sleeve around injector #3, with the slit on the upward facing side of the injector. Install the other sleeve with the slit on the downward facing side of the injector.
3. Confirm sleeve is flush to intake manifold surface around injector.
4. Check injector #3 wire and ensure that the injector is rotated to a 2 o'clock position (from driver’s side of vehicle).
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Thanks XJHemi.

I have had the heatsoak problem but this is a cold one. Looks like the first two TSBs describe the problem I'm having though. As my Jeep was never serviced at a Jeep dealer I'm guessing it's never had the fix.

Now how to convince a Jeep dealer to do them ... wonder what my chances are of them doing it? Should they be done for free or not I wonder? I'm the second owner and its nearly 5 years old.

Interestingly I have been feeding it PULP most of the time from Woolies-Caltex. Last tank was BP Ultimate ... wonder if it was not so ultimate (I've had problems with BP Ultimate with my other vehicle). Shall fill it tonight with PULP and see what happens.
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When cold, my ZJ sounds like it has a lumpy cam thanks to a bit of misfiring.

I reckon it sounds kinda cool
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Probably would need to get the car serviced at a dealer and they should do it at no charge. I wasn't charged for the fix.

For PULP to be effective you have to use it all the time and I don't know where you are located but the Caltex vortex is only 96 RON, the higher rated Clatex stuff is harder to come by outside of NSW.

Again using PULP alone won't eradicate it but it does help. Like I said I still have problems occasionaly with vapour lock but it is not as frequent or as severe when it does happen.
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hey i had this problem a few years ago.. it scared the shit out of my but my dad wasnt fussed and i couldnt understand why... he said 2morrow go buy some new plugs and put them in.. it went away and i havnt seen it since.. he knows a shit load about carbie engines but not EFI but it worked... the plugs looked fine when taken out but he said put new ones in ... it doesnt bother me any more..
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