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It's a disappointing outcome for the JL at best with over 4 billion invested at FCA in R&D it makes me wonder what they spent it on.

Even the latest Jimny scored three stars (with the goal post moved) in the same Euro NCAP testing.
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2012+ gets 4 stars on ANCAP at the time they tested it. Today it would likely get 1 star from the NCAP assessment considering all the requirements (curtain airbags, seatbelt warnings for rear seat passengers, AEB, etc) but the crash test of the JLU doesn't look good in a frontal collision, and those passengers look a lot worse for wear compared to other vehicle crash tests in the segment.
My 2016 JKU has curtain airbags. I check my rear pax for seatbelts and I would never rely on electronic warnings. As for emergency braking, how is that going to help when a vehicle leaves the opposite side of the road and hits you in an offset position? There are times when swerving to avoid a forward collision may be a preferred maneuver than to have emergency brakes applied for you when a Mack truck is bearing down behind you.

There has to be a limit in how much driver function needs to be overridden by a computer.
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Interestingly I witnessed a rear end collision between a Mazda 2 and an older 2wd hilux ute. The ute ran up the back of the Mazda not doing more than 50km/h. The Mazda looked like it had been hit by a Mack truck. It distingrated right up the the front seats. If there had been anyone sitting in the back, they would have looked like smashed avo and would have had no chance. The Mazda scores a very safe 5 star ANCAP.
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Interestingly I witnessed a rear end collision between a Mazda 2 and an older 2wd hilux ute. The ute ran up the back of the Mazda not doing more than 50km/h. The Mazda looked like it had been hit by a Mack truck. It distingrated right up the the front seats. If there had been anyone sitting in the back, they would have looked like smashed avo and would have had no chance. The Mazda scores a very safe 5 star ANCAP.
You’ve given a very good example of why a ladder-chassis vehicle in this day and age should have AEB - vehicles that are bigger, heavier and that brake and handle worse than the average vehicle should have all the tools to avoid/minimise injury to other road users.

Also, I’m not sure the rear passengers in a Wrangler would necessarily fare a hell of a lot better in a 50kph rear-ender from a Hilux. They’d probably just have different injuries.
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Also, I’m not sure the rear passengers in a Wrangler would necessarily fare a hell of a lot better in a 50kph rear-ender from a Hilux. They’d probably just have different injuries.
No injuries in the Mazda, they would have been killed, no chance of surviving.
But I do take your point for sure. What needs to happen though is that the right system is put into all cars i.e. the systems that will operate reliably and consistently, and not just work under 30km/h but the systems that will operate at high speed as well. As usual, there is a mishmash of different systems (Subaru for example) that rely on different tech, along with ones that work at different speeds etc.

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Don't care still going to buy one. I don't rely on electronics to keep me safe on the road it's all about actually paying attention and driving defensively. I'm sure the new JL is safer than my JK. I'm also going to be changing all of these parameters by adding a bull bar, rear steel bar, solid steel rock rails, increasing the height via a lift. I'd love to see a 79 or 78 series Cruiser do this test and see how it performs. The people who love these tests hate real four wheel drives and want them off the roads altogether.
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Australian auto experts were foaming at the mouth and screaming blue murder at FCA for engineering a poorly performing JL in crash testing. They haven't raised their heads at the latest Toyota Corolla issues. A car that can suddenly stop without warning, potentially at speed with a 22 wheeler bearing down behind it. Faulty CVT tranny. No mention yet about the class action against Toyota for a dodgy DPF on its most popular trucks and 4wds.... I feel my JK Wrangler is respectable when it comes to safety, and the JL even more so now that I read about the issues going on with other makes ... which have always been going on... and on....

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Australian auto experts were foaming at the mouth and screaming blue murder at FCA for engineering a poorly performing JL in crash testing. They haven't raised their heads at the latest Toyota Corolla issues. A car that can suddenly stop without warning, potentially at speed with a 22 wheeler bearing down behind it. Faulty CVT tranny. No mention yet about the class action against Toyota for a dodgy DPF on its most popular trucks and 4wds.... I feel my JK Wrangler is respectable when it comes to safety, and the JL even more so now that I read about the issues going on with other makes ... which have always been going on... and on....
They wouldn’t dare talk down Toyota, to many incentives offered. Hyundia realised this a few years back and got on the same bandwagon as Toyota which is why they get such raving reviews (but talk to cops about their Hyundai’s and their plastic steering components that snap off, along with their horrendous brakes in emergency situations). My new Hilux (2017) was the greatest heap I’ve had the displeasure of owning which is why I only had it for a few months, but interestingly it’s been all quiet out there about them, so good hearing there’s a class action with the DPF - it’s a shocker and if it was happening on a Jeep or Landrover, it would be on a Current Affair and 60 minutes!

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