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Old 19-01-2022
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Well, I have called King and Lovells today and got spring rate data. This will confuse you all (it did me).

Lovells Standard raised

CFR-104 (f) 570 lbs/in
CFR-105 (r) 260 lbs/in

King Standard raised

KJFR-29 (f) 530 lbs/in
KJRR30 (r) 210 lbs/in

So the Lovells springs are 7.5% stiffer in the front, and 26% stiffer in the rear!
Good research!

I have the King springs on Bilstein 5100 and it's a stiff ride, couldn't imagine going any stiffer in spring rate.

Also used to have koni red adjustables, but replaced them with the 5100s. The koni's "may" be better with adjustability, but it's a full strut-out-spring-off job to make any change, so I just set it to what I think was a middle setting and left them.
If newer Koni versions have external adjustors, that'd be worth trying.
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Just FYI spring rates don't mean anything without knowing free length, wire material, thickness, coil pitch, etc.

Unfortunately, I learned this the hard way. Did plenty of research into every spring avail for these WH/XH's, have a giant spreadsheet to prove it haha, and only focused on the claimed spring rate.

I personally have experience with King Springs, Dobinsons MD, OME HD, Dobinsons MD, and x2 sets of Lovells HD springs in XH/WH's.

On paper the HD Lovell's for a Commander are by far the stiffest (claimed 750 lbs/in front and 390 rear) avail, but in reality are only marginally stiffer in the front and about the same stiffness as Doninsons MD (claimed spring rate of 576 front and 274 rear) when driving around. This is on my personal Commander CRD.

On my brother's Commander CRD, there was a noticeable difference going from Kings (claimed 530 front, 295 rear) to Lovells HD where front and rear were stiffer, but not massively despite the numbers suggesting it would be heaps stiffer.

OME HD springs seem to be stiff on paper (not as stiff as Lovells) but in reality, in my opinion the firmest ride of all especially on a WH. They claim 630 front and 280 rear, and don't appear to have different springs for WH vs XH. My friends WH Hemi rides very firm with them, planted on road, doesn't pitch or roll remains very flat, a bit harsh offroad (most report OME being too harsh), and have ridden in a XH CRD with the same kit (from Murchison Offroad) and it was firm but not as much as the WH, and about the same if not a touch firmer than my Lovells HD Commander setup.

Sorry this may be more confusing than what you were already considering, but hope it helps and you don't fall into the same trap as I did only considering claimed spring rate as the benchmark to compare all springs.
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I did the rate chasing too, currently running Moog 4.7 litre springs on the height adjustable B8 5100s, its been miles better than my old CRDSTU/OME MD setup but definitely not as good as even most modern lifted dual cabs. Not sure if its the geometry or what but it seems that its a lot firmer than similar sized cars.
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