JK Front bumper roundup

[4WD4FUN]

Originally Posted by Zen

Valid point, I have ARB Delux Combination Bar http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-p...-bars/3450200/... Are you saying the 2 lower hanging plates with holes that look alot like recovery points are not actually recovery points?
(picture 8 of 9 on link above shows the plates)

If these are not recovery points, then where are they located as it says in product description 'Durable tow points incorporated into the chassis'

So that when you tow the vehicle or pull it onto a flat bed it is secured at the strongest point of the vehicle as all tow points normally are.
These points have not been designed or tested for a snatch recovery and if the whole where to open up and have the D shackle go through the window of the recovery vehicle you would not be able to sue them as you have been advised that these are not recovery points and should not have been used for this purpose. That is why some of the bars now don't have tow holes any more so there is no chance of snatching from them.

[danieljames]

Originally Posted by 4WD4FUN

So that when you tow the vehicle or pull it onto a flat bed it is secured at the strongest point of the vehicle as all tow points normally are.
These points have not been designed or tested for a snatch recovery and if the whole where to open up and have the D shackle go through the window of the recovery vehicle you would not be able to sue them as you have been advised that these are not recovery points and should not have been used for this purpose. That is why some of the bars now don't have tow holes any more so there is no chance of snatching from them.

interesting, that one would have fooled me.
On my stock JK i have two loops (one front and rear) that I assumed were recovery points for snatching. I got stuck last weekend and cracked open my new snatch strap and the shackle didnt fit through the loop.. lucky the snatch set in my brothers 4wd fit through and snatched it straight out.

just did a bit of light reading and there seems to be a bit of differing opinion as to whether this front loop is just a tow hook or if it is safe for recovery.

I don't want to have to watch this hook go flying through my brothers windscreen when he pulls me out next time..but not sure if I need to look at installing rated recovery points (if this is something 4wd shops do for the JK) or getting a front bar with rated recovery points (but it seems companies are shying away from these now re: ARB) ?

[Grahame]

Originally Posted by danieljames

interesting, that one would have fooled me.
On my stock JK i have two loops (one front and rear) that I assumed were recovery points for snatching. I got stuck last weekend and cracked open my new snatch strap and the shackle didnt fit through the loop.. lucky the snatch set in my brothers 4wd fit through and snatched it straight out.

just did a bit of light reading and there seems to be a bit of differing opinion as to whether this front loop is just a tow hook or if it is safe for recovery.

I don't want to have to watch this hook go flying through my brothers windscreen when he pulls me out next time..but not sure if I need to look at installing rated recovery points (if this is something 4wd shops do for the JK) or getting a front bar with rated recovery points (but it seems companies are shying away from these now re: ARB) ?

This is your front loop:



Mounted vertically it's not designed for perpendicular loads, i.e. snatching. If they put it on horizontally you may be able to use it, but I don't know if it's rated.

You can replace the loop with a Mopar hook (same bolt pattern as the loop) which is standard fit in the US:



I've read that they are rated to 4500 lbs. You can get them real cheap out of the states or I believe Wooders stocks them. I have two on the front of mine and have snatched plenty of times with no dramas.

[Zen]

So i was under the impression that the 2x loops mounted vertically (towards the ground) under the ARB front bar are for recover not tie-down. You can see the 2x loops im talking about at the ARB site http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-p...-bars/3450200/

I have used these to sling a snatch strap between each loop with D-shackles (orange in pic) and then used another snatch strap in the middle to spread the load. So im now confused, are these not recovery points?? Last thing i wanna happen is one rip off & possibly hurt someone

[SeaComms]

They are tow points and are not rated for recovery, this is the problem. The ARB bar is proabably the most common JK front bar at the moment in Australia and I am not aware of one failing under a recovery situation, and I use mine for recovery as well. However, I think the problem is ARB are worried they may not be up to the task in some situations given they can not know what you will be pulling with them (think fully loaded 4 door up to the chassis in mud for example) so they say tow point only so that if something does go wrong they will not be held responsible.

[yetiboy01]

Originally Posted by SeaComms

They are tow points and are not rated for recovery, this is the problem. The ARB bar is proabably the most common JK front bar at the moment in Australia and I am not aware of one failing under a recovery situation, and I use mine for recovery as well. However, I think the problem is ARB are worried they may not be up to the task in some situations given they can not know what you will be pulling with them (think fully loaded 4 door up to the chassis in mud for example) so they say tow point only so that if something does go wrong they will not be held responsible.

ARB used to call them recovery points, no doubt their lawyers got involved due to the amount of litigation that is in this country now


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[danieljames]

Originally Posted by SeaComms

They are tow points and are not rated for recovery, this is the problem. The ARB bar is proabably the most common JK front bar at the moment in Australia and I am not aware of one failing under a recovery situation, and I use mine for recovery as well. However, I think the problem is ARB are worried they may not be up to the task in some situations given they can not know what you will be pulling with them (think fully loaded 4 door up to the chassis in mud for example) so they say tow point only so that if something does go wrong they will not be held responsible.

thanks for the response.

so do you think this means that the standard jk "tow hooks" are also pretty fine for most recovery situations or have you heard anything about them failing under load?