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just get 037981 to do the job periodically!!
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Disclaimer: I get PAID to put on paint protection.
Disclaimer2: I run a professional commercial car detailing business. I dont advertise for retail work as i work almost exclusively for car dealers. The info below is not to pimp my business in any way.

The Truth.

Paint protection is a synthetic sealant. It lasts between 3-6mths MAX. It doesnt protect any more than a decent wax.

Here's a bit of info i posted on another forum a while back that may help a few ppl on here.

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Types of Machine polishing.

RO or Random Orbital
A RO is more commonly seen as a sander. Most move around 5mm in a random action but dont rotate. Very safe to use, dont create a lot of friction and hence very little heat but also take a long time to achive anything. If you have use a RO for sanding then bought a belt sander you will know the differance in machines. A decent RO for detailing needs to move at least 8-10mm. The $30 ones from supercheap etc and completely useless and doing it by hand is faster. Dont waste your money. Most decent units start around $150+. Most 6" ones with a decent throw will do the job.

This one isnt bad. (no affiliation with these guys nor the products)
http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/pr...om_orbital_kit


Rotary
Rotary's can use a 2" to 10" pad. As the name suggests, they rotate but dont oscillate. This means they can generate more heat, work faster and cut better than the RO will. They are also much more dangerous and a misstep will find you at a panelbeaters for a respray. In the right hands, they will do a far better job.

What is a Polish and why do we need it?
Polish is an abrasive, it is not there to protect the car. The idea is to get the surface as smooth as possible. The smoother is is the more it reflects and the better the shine. The other advantage is the smoother it is the harder it is for anything to stick to it (ie dirt). Old white oxidized paint (that is more yellow than white) will actually act like velcro to contaminants and draw them into the paint. Have you seen the ad on TV where they stick a piece of chalk into food dye? Thats what your paint does to mud and dirt.

Do i wax, polish or seal? Why?
Polish is to smooth the paint by an abrasive action. It doesnt do anything else except maybe cleans a little too. There are as many grades of polish as there are grades of pads. Different combo's of polish/pads will work differently on different cars. Polishing can also be refereed to as "compounding" and polish as a "compound" (usually by our USA friends)

A sealant is to protect the paint, it doesnt cut. It can act as a synthetic wax to enhance the shine and often lasts a lot longer than wax. Being synthetic a sealant will generally stick to the paintwork better than a wax and last longer. 4-6mths at best.

Wax is a natural product (from a palm tree). Remember the talk about smoothness? What a wax will do is fill any rough paintwork and give the impression the paint is smooth. Its almost like a temporary clearcoat. When it looks smooth is shines. The better quality the wax the nicer the shine (within reason). Being a natural product it often only lasts a few months at best before its washed away

Both a wax and a sealant can also contain UV protectors. Marketing companies will often call a sealant or a wax "polish" or polish a wax and generally assist with confusing you.

Paint protection
Most if not all products advertised as paint protection are nothing more than a sealant and an insurance policy when damage does occur. The products themselves are often very cheap, poor quality and last 3-6moths at best. NOTHING on the market, anywhere in the world will protect your car for "years" and ensure you wont ever need to polish it again. (remember, Paint protection isnt a polish). These products are designed for one thing and only one thing. To make dealers money. The policies are so full of holes its unlikely a claim will ever be made and by that time the dealer wont want to know and passes the problem to the "insurance company" called XYZ paint protection who finds you didnt abide by their conditions so warranty on the product is voided. Not only dont these products work as they say, they are no longer even on the car after 6mths. Spend a few $$ on decent quality detailing products, a quality sealant and a wax and the car will be in far better condition 10yrs later than any paint protection scam.

(Discliamer: I do apply paint protection for dealers. I make very good money from it. I DO NOT sell it to anyone who comes direct to the shop.


What Pad do i use?

Wool
Wool has been around for years and is still used in most panel shops. Panelbeaters arent detailers and want to work fast. Wool is also fairly course so on an oxidised paint it will cut quite quickly but it wont bring the shine up that a softer pad will. Very few professional detailers will use wool anymore as the tech in foam pads means any level of aggressiveness or softness can be achieved.

Foam
As stated, foam can be either very soft for no cut and just applying the sealant and quick shine right upto a very aggressive cutting pad for removing the harshest scratches and imperfections. Knowing which pad to use for what application can take years to master and with new pads coming out all the time what works on one car wont work on another. I have a range of over 50 pads from 2" to 8" for everything from glass to perspex, paint types and even some specifically for some brands of cars. For most people a medium pad and a soft pad will be enough. If your car needs a hard cut then its far cheaper to call in a pro as 1 small error when cutting hard can mean respraying a panel or bumper.

Paint thickness
Most paint is around 80-150 micron thick. This will be made up of a clear coat, colour and undercoats. Toyota 4x4's are at least twice as thick as their 2wd siblings and in some cases much more. This means polishing wont hurt the car. A decent polish will remove at best 0.5-1micron, often much less so the horror stories of wearing out your paint from overpolishing is a myth. You can however burn the paint bringing us to our next point.

Dangers
Friction = heat. Too much friction and you can burn the paint. When this happens you can discolour it or it can be heated to the point that it comes off the metal/plastic etc and you now have a hole in the paintwork requiring repair. With a RO its almost impossible to do as its action is very mild. Its also why it takes much longer to achieve results. With a rotary it can happen in seconds.

Techniques

Wash the car first
Claybar to remove contaminates.
Dry
Work in the shade not full sun

When using either a RO or rotary you wont need a lot of polish. a 10c sized dab on a applicator pad will do around 2-3sq feet of panel. If it splaters you have WAY to much.

Usually i put the dab onto the pad direct then dot it over the panel ill be working on to spread it out. remember, minimal is better as too much as it goes everywhere, clogs up the pad and is a waste of money.

A RO is the easiest to use. its simply a case of moving back and forth over the panel, first one way then 90 degree's to it. You should notice the polish begin to break down. Sometimes it will feel a little gritty and the more you work it the smoother the grit gets. The smoother it gets the better the shine. Some polishes will stay quite "wet" were others will turn to dust pretty fast.

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Hi,

I just got my windows tinted. Tint-a-car was fishing for an up-sale on paint protection. After a few minutes of sales talk, the lady said if I polished the car the warrantee would be void. As others have said, damage you car and the repairers pull their hair out and slug you extra, pinstripe it in the bush and you get back to can't polish or kiss warrantee bye bye.
I only ever once got the extra crap car yards try to up-sell. The pack included tar crap on the under carriage of the vehicle to help with sound proofing and rust. The "ship" never set and years later when I went under the car I copped black crap all over.
Run for the hills away from paint protection on ant 4x4.
Yt2...
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Great Info VooDoo..... thanks

Just a minor Q.... whats a Claybar ?
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