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Having only recently got my gun license I must say it is significantly easier to get than a car license. A little bit of paperwork and a token "safety" meeting and you are good to go. A car license requires 3 tests and 120 hours of practice (Victoria) with a fully licensed driver. A gun license has no practical assessment at all and no mental health check either.

I doubt category a and b long arms are really that dangerous compared to guns used in USA style rampages.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
Why is a hand gun a survival aid to a pilot? And why do professional shooters need automatics? Not being funny here just curious. Just looking at this as a need vs want.

On a lighter note. How many other pilots carry hand guns because I'm FIFO and no longer feel comfortable lol.
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Full automatics are not and never have been legal but a semi auto with no more than a 5 round clip was (not sure if it still is) legal after the new laws came into effect, prior to that there was no rule on clip size.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
This must have been a very long while ago. Semi autos are available now as Category C but only to primary producers or professional shooters (ie. pest control) but automatics are strictly prohibited as are handguns, the exception being you can own a handgun if it's for competition use.

The laws are not great but are becoming more restrictive all the time. It's just the addition of new laws to curb gun crime that upsets firearm owners because new laws don't help; criminals don't follow the law. And most of the time the laws themselves are just a hoop jumping exercise to make the public think that the government is actually doing something.

The biggest part of the problem is public perception of the sport.
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In W.A. We have always had fairly rigid rules compared to other states, I have no problem with showing genuine reason for firearm ownership, but I do have a problem with people trying to interpret the rules in order to make life hard, just because they don't agree with firearm ownership. The simple fact is criminals don't use a licence or comply with ownership rules, guarantee none of the shootings in Sydney lately are licensed firearms
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Why do we need guns?
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Why don't we ban the sale of alcohol as more people are killed and injured as a result of alcohol than are shot with guns?


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But you can still have guns, you just need to have a reason to have them and I can't see a problem with that.
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But you can still have guns, you just need to have a reason to have them and I can't see a problem with that.
I agree that you should need a reason, but it's far more complex than that. The laws are becoming unnecessarily restrictive on top of the usual "you need a genuine reason" stuff. Most recently the Ammunition Bill has caused a massive stir as it as actually a law that can make it LESS safe for firearms owners as it makes it easier for them to be targeted by criminals.

There was also talk of trying to introduce a law so that you can't buy ammunition for a caliber you don't own. While that may seem OK at face value, why should I not be able to buy a couple of .22 rounds for a mate if he lets me borrow his rifle on a camping trip? Or if I only want one rifle that is a centerfire yet I have a friend who wants to take me hunting and lend me his shotgun I'd like to be able to feed it myself. Seeing as though I would have to have a license to buy a certain type of ammo to start with, it's just becoming a case of restrictions for the sake of restrictions. Luckily that one hasn't happened yet, but it's an example of what shooters are always up against.

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