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Firearms should most definitely be restricted in some fashion and I think Australia is on the right track. There is absolutely no “need” to own a gun. Granted some people want to own them for sporting purposes etc and that’s fine as long as it’s well policed. But please don’t tell me Joe citizen “needs” a gun.

I noticed there were some comments made regarding the antiquated US constitution. When it was pencilled in a period were firearms were common place it made sense. Today? Well I’m not so sure.

There was also a comment that said something along the lines of children should be educated about firearms not have them prohibited. I don’t necessarily disagree with this but does this mean they should have access to a Barrette 50 or the like when they become an adult? I don’t think so.

Another comment was made regarding terminology in that a biro is no more of a weapon than a gun until it is deliberately used to harm someone or cause fear etc. As a bow hunter I agree with this to some extent. I don’t classify my bow as a “weapon” as it’s designed for targets not hunting. Yes it could kill a small animal but so could the biro.

Having said that lets not fool ourselves US gun laws allow for the purchase of “weapons” and firearms. The above stated 50 cal rife or automatic “firearms” are weapons. Their sole purpose is to kill or destroy. There is absolutely no need for such devices whatever name you wish to give them.
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Firearms should most definitely be restricted in some fashion and I think Australia is on the right track. There is absolutely no “need” to own a gun. Granted some people want to own them for sporting purposes etc and that’s fine as long as it’s well policed. But please don’t tell me Joe citizen “needs” a gun.

I noticed there were some comments made regarding the antiquated US constitution. When it was pencilled in a period were firearms were common place it made sense. Today? Well I’m not so sure.

There was also a comment that said something along the lines of children should be educated about firearms not have them prohibited. I don’t necessarily disagree with this but does this mean they should have access to a Barrette 50 or the like when they become an adult? I don’t think so.

Another comment was made regarding terminology in that a biro is no more of a weapon than a gun until it is deliberately used to harm someone or cause fear etc. As a bow hunter I agree with this to some extent. I don’t classify my bow as a “weapon” as it’s designed for targets not hunting. Yes it could kill a small animal but so could the biro.

Having said that lets not fool ourselves US gun laws allow for the purchase of “weapons” and firearms. The above stated 50 cal rife or automatic “firearms” are weapons. Their sole purpose is to kill or destroy. There is absolutely no need for such devices whatever name you wish to give them.
Well said, same argument is spoons making people fat.

Government control is government control whater the subject is.
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Having only recently got my gun license I must say it is significantly easier to get than a car license. A little bit of paperwork and a token "safety" meeting and you are good to go. A car license requires 3 tests and 120 hours of practice (Victoria) with a fully licensed driver. A gun license has no practical assessment at all and no mental health check either.

I doubt category a and b long arms are really that dangerous compared to guns used in USA style rampages.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
Why is a hand gun a survival aid to a pilot? And why do professional shooters need automatics? Not being funny here just curious. Just looking at this as a need vs want.

On a lighter note. How many other pilots carry hand guns because I'm FIFO and no longer feel comfortable lol.
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Full automatics are not and never have been legal but a semi auto with no more than a 5 round clip was (not sure if it still is) legal after the new laws came into effect, prior to that there was no rule on clip size.
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If you look into it our laws they are not that bad. There are quiet a few category's of licences and if you can proove to the commissioner you can pretty much own any firearm you like. I worked in the NT for a while we could carry a hand gun as we work in remote areas so its a survival aid being as I was a pilot. Professional shooters there mostly have class C I think, most have automatic's in there possession even ex-military gear don't know how legal they were.

So a law that let's you own what you require to do the job and no more seems ok to me.
This must have been a very long while ago. Semi autos are available now as Category C but only to primary producers or professional shooters (ie. pest control) but automatics are strictly prohibited as are handguns, the exception being you can own a handgun if it's for competition use.

The laws are not great but are becoming more restrictive all the time. It's just the addition of new laws to curb gun crime that upsets firearm owners because new laws don't help; criminals don't follow the law. And most of the time the laws themselves are just a hoop jumping exercise to make the public think that the government is actually doing something.

The biggest part of the problem is public perception of the sport.
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In W.A. We have always had fairly rigid rules compared to other states, I have no problem with showing genuine reason for firearm ownership, but I do have a problem with people trying to interpret the rules in order to make life hard, just because they don't agree with firearm ownership. The simple fact is criminals don't use a licence or comply with ownership rules, guarantee none of the shootings in Sydney lately are licensed firearms
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