Next gen Wrangler

[Yom]

Originally Posted by tcf

I doubt it would then be called a serious 4wd

i think that is just a myth because there's some hardcore my balls are bigger than yours attitude that 4wds should be shit to drive, unstable and solid axle.

i suspect though that it is not a lack of creativity and ingenuity to think outside the box of predefined solutions it is simply that the systems which would work are simply cost prohibitive to produce.

[xiphos]

Haha, i know, just a generalisation. I still dig my old TJ.

As for what Yom just said, i agree, be interesting to see what kind of setups evolve with an IFS setup being the only option in the future.
Personally I wonder more about whats going to happen when they try and make these things green.

[rhysTJ]

Originally Posted by Yom

4wds should be shit to drive, unstable and solid axle.
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i dont think that is what people are trying to say... i think there just saying that a solid axle four wheel will flex and articulate better than any IFS system seen in 4WD's so far can.. and will more than likely be a shiat load tuffer.. but it doesn't have to have bad road manners there are sooooo many solid axle four wheel drives out there that are have awesome road manners!'

but yeh just my 2 cents

[rhysTJ]

Originally Posted by xiphos

haha, i know, just a generalisation. I still dig my old TJ.

haha yehh i was just being picky haha

[Yom]

Awesome road manners..hmm, compared to a Ford model T? lol

I thought the JK was one of the best compromises and after my 2.25yrs with it while I believe the suspension is a big part in its capability I reckon its overall packing and dimensions are just as important in the package. If you dumped a bloated big patrol or cruiser body ontop of a JKU it might still climb and articulate well but you'll not be able to get it places without significant body damage (and even possibly get stuck because of the body). A stock TJ or JK may not "look" very capable in stock form but with a clever driver they have the ability to go much further into tricky terrain than a heavily modified cruiser/patrol because of their overall packaging creating a highly manoeuvrable vehicle.

Articulation isn't the pinnacle of an off road 4wd performance. Your wheels aren't always going to be on the ground - even the most modified vehicles will lift a wheel every now and again so its just as important to have a suspension design which allows the wheel which IS on the ground to provide positive traction and a driveline capable of ensuring there is power being directed to the wheel with traction.

heck you only have to look at Jeeps of the past to see that it wasn't their suspension which was the secret to their success. Zook drivers know all too well its very much a size thing.

I think there's better solutions out there but realise they are likely to be cost prohibitive.

[DaveFSJ]

Originally Posted by humdingerslammer

Crikey... don't you like "cosmetic using, chest waxing, latte sipping, man-bag wearing, image conscious, metrosexual men". Why can't they drive Jeeps? Women do. I guess you think this is OK as long as the women are those with hairy lips and chins, don't shave their legs, wear tight men's shorts and jeans, have a beer guts, can knock back a bottle of JB with the boys, swear like the bejesus and are built like brick shithouses. If you do like women who fit this description, r u sure you aren't attracted to men?

Sorry I offended you humthenslamading, would you like a tissue?

[DownSouth]

I drove the new Prado last week (see JK vid section) IFS with poor articulation, BUT the traction control was amazing and it sailed over everything, could see it doing Bobs hill though the pivoting from corner to corner would be frightening