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Big bucks extra to go for the Trailhawk or Overland just to get air suspension since I believe it is not being offered as an option for the Laredo or Limited..
just picked up my new (1800k demo) velvet red trailhawk GC but was looking at going a laredo with full off road package in graphite crystal (with the 8.4 uconnect) and was told id need to order it and be bout 5 months at around the 67.5k mark and they did the trail for 70 flat with h/d tow bar weather shields and bonnet/headlamp protectors
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BTW if I were to go from the Jeep camp (not likely but maybe if no diesel Jeep after 2022) then I'd seriously look at a Ford Everest
I came from the ford camp and other than getting the 5 cylinder 3.2 diesel 6 speed everest trend the new option will be a 2ltr twin turbo 4 cylinder 10 speed auto at 66k
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I have compared directly, the rear locker makes a huge difference, especially given the lack of wheel travel after you lift a WK2.
Mate had a WK2 Laredo with air suspension but no Quadra-Drive only BTC and he did everything I did with the WK2 Trailhawk so rear locker made no noticeable difference desert driving...2 Wranglers with me did ok without...Pity though Quadra Drive is now only on the top end models which ..apart for some like me...mostly only tow on the black top so hardly need a top class rear locker.. Seems a waste of what is considered one of the best 4x4 lockers on the market now not an option on Laredos and Limited where they are more likely to excel crawling the rough stuff...Jeep do some strange marketing decisions. Often wonder what their ''Trail Rated'' badge really means.
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Yes pics please, that sounds like a great trip.
Some of many..A quick photo trip.

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Mate had a WK2 Laredo with air suspension but no Quadra-Drive only BTC and he did everything I did with the WK2 Trailhawk so rear locker made no noticeable difference desert driving...2 Wranglers with me did ok without...
Yeah, you won't see the difference on sand.

As I understand it, the challenge with desert is more the remoteness than the off-road part.
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Yeah, you won't see the difference on sand.

As I understand it, the challenge with desert is more the remoteness than the off-road part.
Yep that part to...It can kill but then there is something like1300 dunes & the ruts & dips...Could be considered extreme without too much imagination...East to West is very steep but I'd hate to do West to East...It is rough on the West side..really rough so slowly down...certainly checks out the suspension..Mates Unlimited 4 door Wrangler did 4 TJM shocks..completely stuffed..Fitted OMEs in Alice..

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Anyone wanting to lift their steel spring WK2..Well I have here a set of Dobinson medium + heavy duty rear springs + a set of OME rear shocks to suit 40 to 50mm lift..The lot going cheap..I mean real cheap but pickup only or you pay the freight. I have no need for them since my Laredo has left the building and replaced by a Trailhawk.

Also 5 TPMS Sensors suitable for pre-2017 WK2 Grand Cherokee..$200 + postage....Apparently Jeep has changed the sensor code (more digits) on the Traihawk..Mine, for sale, did work on my previous Laredo but not on this Trailhawk.

Plus 6 x 265/65R18 BFG KO2 tyres..2 Brand new (never been on the road) and 4 between 80% - 90%..All for $1300.00 negotiable

This is interesting (Quadra-Lift):


"If your vehicle sags or bottoms out, your air springs may not be maintaining air pressure and need to be replaced quickly. If leaks are present in the air spring, the air compressor will overwork itself to try and maintain your vehicle’s height, causing it to burn out and break down. Other causes of air spring failure include overextending, which can pull the top plate away from the bellows, corrosion of the bellows often due to grease or other chemicals, and abrasions caused by rubbing against debris or another part of the vehicle."

Overextending would be a thing to watch if using the LLAMS Height Controller.

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After my trip, I'm looking at fitting the new Chief Products roof rack 150kg dynamic & 600kg static..Now this brings me back to that often discussed and often misunderstood topic of what can the WK2 actually carry??

4WD Trailhawk 3.0-litre EcoDiesel
GCM = 6099kg
GVM = 2949kg
KW = 2393kg
Payload = 556kg

GVM: Gross Vehicle Mass
GCM: Gross Combination Mass
ATM: Aggregated Trailer Mass
TBM: Tow Ball Mass
KW: Kerb Weight (slightly different to Tare which I prefer)
Payload: vehicle cargo carrying capacity.

Using : GCM= GVM + ATM - TBM
= 2949kg+ 3500kg = 6449kg - 350kg = 6099kg
GTM = ATM - TBM
= 3500 - 350 = 3150kg
Payload = GVM - Kerb Weight
= 2949 - 2393 = 556kg

Now since TBM is part of the GVM when towing:
Available Payload = 556 - 350 = 206kg

Loading up:

Bullbar & Winch approx 100kg (depends on the bar & winch make & add about 7 to 9kg for wire winch cable)
Available Payload = 206 - 100 = 106 kg for passengers, cargo & accessories
Add roof rack, rock rails and aux fuel tank (full) say total 155kg
Available Payload = - 49kg for passengers and effects
Assume passengers (2) = 150kg (skinny wife and no carton of beer)
Available Payload = 199kg overweight.

Hmmm, now 150kg on the roof??...The answer is don't tow I guess.
I welcome all comments.

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Yes, a serious problem for all modern 4WD's.

I run over a weighbridge whenever I can.

Nearly all the vehicles I see in the outback are over weight, most by a fair margin, and many running around town are well over weight without being loaded at all, just the weight of accessories. The insurance companies will be having a field day.

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Yes, a serious problem for all modern 4WD's.

I run over a weighbridge whenever I can.

Nearly all the vehicles I see in the outback are over weight, most by a fair margin, and many running around town are well over weight without being loaded at all, just the weight of accessories. The insurance companies will be having a field day.

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Yep' I've seen and followed many...I see where the QLD Gov is looking to get something like $540,000,000 from their speed cameras this year... Guess there is no money in stopping what is obviously an overloaded & towing 4WD..Running them over a weight bridge and at least giving them a warning or a defect notice means police on the roads and that cost money...Easier to set up covert speed cameras in those yellow trailers that look just like roadworks signage etc..Easy money for the Gov coffers but not that much an immediate effect on road safety when the fine comes in many weeks later and only about speed....Forget about the tailgaters and erratic (self-centred) drivers let alone those overloaded vehicles...Seen a few caravan wrecks on the roadside in the 10,000km trip I just did..Wondered if the cause was too much weight aka exceeding the caravan GTM or the vehicle GVM or both (GCM)??...Just a thought...And yes all those dual-cabs with everything that opens and shuts, the boat on top & the BIG caravan...Hmmm??
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