Civilian Owned Firearms, what do we think?

[aido_3927]

Originally Posted by theMISSIONARY

A big problem i think Australia has is we cannot leave peoples pass times alone.....Ban 4x4s ban guns ban fishing ban mountain bikes etc etc

NZ and other countries are far ahead of us in this respect as they are happy to let people do things that are here "not kosher"

dirt biking 4wding etc are normal so is hunting and sporting shooting...sounds good to me

this is the thing we need to fix or even the gas guzzling Jeeps we drive will be just scrap for China.

a happy medium needs to be found and IMHO NZ is the best example of it

+1!

I reckon the biggest problem is public perception. It surprised me how often I had told someone that I hunt in public forests to which I get the reply "but what if you shoot someone?!"

Luckily I like explaining how much effort gets put into identifying targets beyond any reasonable doubt plus backstops, etc lol

[sladey]

I'm an advocate of increasing the penalties for offenses and relaxing the laws that are in place to prevent said penalties occurring, like, give us the bloody freedom to own and purchase firearms easily, let us camp anywhere in the bush, recreate where we damn well please, ride quads in state forest, use single track on a dirt bike, fish any and every stream etc. but make clear that the issue of stepping over the line a deadly serious one, multiple thousand dollar fines for littering a campground and community service that involves cleaning up the bush, harsh fines for ringbarking a tree with a winch, registration of quads that would pump millions into state coffers to allow more trail development in OUR forests, let local 4x4 clubs "adopt a trail" and maintain it (like they do in the states), give a sense of ownership to OUR OWN BACKYARD and it will be clear the implications for being a hoon and destroying our own land are just not worth it. just my 2 pennies

and this will get disagreement amongst many but giving us more rangers posted to national parks, with ranger stations, in the way they do in the states would give us the ability to relax the laws designed to keep us out because people would know the area has a ranger on duty, also handy if you get into strife.

I'v been a sustainability officer and helped develop management plans with the DSE and Parks Vic whilst studying and within the industry its widely understood that NOTHING compares to the Level of infrastructure and money that is pumped into the US Parks and Wildlife system...

[theMISSIONARY]

Originally Posted by sladey

I'm an advocate of increasing the penalties for offenses and relaxing the laws that are in place to prevent said penalties occurring, like, give us the bloody freedom to own and purchase firearms easily, let us camp anywhere in the bush, recreate where we damn well please, ride quads in state forest, use single track on a dirt bike, fish any and every stream etc. but make clear that the issue of stepping over the line a deadly serious one, multiple thousand dollar fines for littering a campground and community service that involves cleaning up the bush, harsh fines for ringbarking a tree with a winch, registration of quads that would pump millions into state coffers to allow more trail development in OUR forests, let local 4x4 clubs "adopt a trail" and maintain it (like they do in the states), give a sense of ownership to OUR OWN BACKYARD and it will be clear the implications for being a hoon and destroying our own land are just not worth it. just my 2 pennies

and this will get disagreement amongst many but giving us more rangers posted to national parks, with ranger stations, in the way they do in the states would give us the ability to relax the laws designed to keep us out because people would know the area has a ranger on duty, also handy if you get into strife.

I'v been a sustainability officer and helped develop management plans with the DSE and Parks Vic whilst studying and within the industry its widely understood that NOTHING compares to the Level of infrastructure and money that is pumped into the US Parks and Wildlife system...

+1
Yep throw that book at they if they do something illegal

we do have ranger stations down here in high use areas but without the back up of harsh penalty's people just go do what they are going to do

[Madrax573]

Originally Posted by Mals-JK

I'll step it up a notch! I actually think we should be able to buy Hand Guns, say in the case of violent home invasions, why cant we protect ourselves instead of having to dial 000 and wait n hope the cops arrive in time! if its life threatening id like to have the full backing of the law to defend my home and family.
You all are saying we can own a gun if we give good reason, well one reason i know we will never be given rights to a gun if we state its for "home protection", saying that in USA they give you want you need, but it's a dirty word if you say it in AUS.

To be perfectly honest I cannot in good consious agree with this.

I am a weapons engineer. I served for 9 years as a weapons specialist and bomb disposal in the RAF and the one thing I can state is that if you don't have the training AND experience to using a firearm in a CQB (close quarter battle) situation you are more dangerous to yourself and your family.

And to be perfectly honest if you have THAT kind of experience then you don't NEED a firearm to defend yourself or your family in your home.

When I came to australia I had friends in the Federal police that were trying to recruit me because of my past experiences etc and they were talking about being armed and all that. But I really do believe that the firearms are a tool for killing. Nothing more, nothing less. To own a firearm you are basically stating that I am going to try and kill somthing. Wether that be an animal or person makes the difference.

I am passionate about firearms. They are something I enjoy a great deal however since moving to a civilian lifestyle I cannot hoestly justify having a gun other than me just wanting to pull the trigger now and again. For that I just go to a range or a friends property.

Stating the 'home defence' excuse for a firearm is basically stating that I WILL try to kill whoever comes into my home.

[Fruju]

Originally Posted by Madrax573

To be perfectly honest I cannot in good consious agree with this.

I am a weapons engineer. I served for 9 years as a weapons specialist and bomb disposal in the RAF and the one thing I can state is that if you don't have the training AND experience to using a firearm in a CQB (close quarter battle) situation you are more dangerous to yourself and your family.

And to be perfectly honest if you have THAT kind of experience then you don't NEED a firearm to defend yourself or your family in your home.

When I came to australia I had friends in the Federal police that were trying to recruit me because of my past experiences etc and they were talking about being armed and all that. But I really do believe that the firearms are a tool for killing. Nothing more, nothing less. To own a firearm you are basically stating that I am going to try and kill somthing. Wether that be an animal or person makes the difference.

I am passionate about firearms. They are something I enjoy a great deal however since moving to a civilian lifestyle I cannot hoestly justify having a gun other than me just wanting to pull the trigger now and again. For that I just go to a range or a friends property.

Stating the 'home defence' excuse for a firearm is basically stating that I WILL try to kill whoever comes into my home.

+1

One would be better of fortifying their home than to have a gun in it for protection. If we believe we need to have a gun for protection, then we are either living in the wrong time and place or our society has degraded even further to the extent where our laws and lives are worthless.

Those who intend to do harm to others will always use whatever is at their disposal. Unfortunately there will always be this type of person and they are hard to weed out.

We must never go down the path of the US believing it is our "Right" to arm ourselves. With Rights comes a sense of intitlement. With intitlement one would believe they can do as they wish with what they are intitled to.

Gun ownership should remain a privilege, but one that we can all receive once the right criteria have been met. With Privilege comes respect. Respect is what gun ownership deserves.

[xdefender]

What will yous want to ban next? Few years back they wanted to ban bull bars, tax 4x4s extra for taking up more room in the city. They still trying to keep us out of state forests. 4x4s are a recreational vehicles. One could argue that there is no need for them, so where will you stand. Just wait till they come banging at your door before your realise that its no longer a free country. Maybe they should ban computers and Internet as well. People use them to steal

[superchicken]

Originally Posted by xdefender

What will yous want to ban next? Few years back they wanted to ban bull bars, tax 4x4s extra for taking up more room in the city. They still trying to keep us out of state forests. 4x4s are a recreational vehicles. One could argue that there is no need for them, so where will you stand. Just wait till they come banging at your door before your realise that its no longer a free country. Maybe they should ban computers and Internet as well. People use them to steal

If we had a Like button I would have pressed it! Over controlled and under punished.