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Here's something to stir up. LED light bars now have to have covers in the middle when used in QLD, not actively enforced for 12 months though.

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Originally Posted by TMR Queensland Under ADR 13/00 requirements, the minimum distance between two lights constituting a pair is 600mm, measured from the inner edges of the illuminating surfaces. While this specific requirement does not apply to driving lamps, it is strongly recommended that the LED light bars, when fitted as pairs, should be fitted in a way that complies with the distance requirement as closely as practicable.

In cases where a single LED light bar is fitted in the centre as one continuous light unit, the requirement to fit driving lamps in pairs could be easily met by fitting an opaque cover plate at the centre of the light bar to simulate the appearance of two separate light units. The width of such opaque dividing cover should be enough to distinguish the arrangement as two separate light units. For example, the ability of an observer standing 200m in front of the vehicle to perceive the light bar as two separate light units can be used as an approximate guide.




aahhhhhh .... the stupidity of deskbound govt regulaters ...


At 200m ... I dont care how many damn, overly bright, auxilliary driving lights are fitted ....

I just want the annoying things dipped ... so I'm only looking at the factory fitted lo-beam.


... and anybody standing 200m in front of my vehicle trying to count driving lights is likely to only have seconds to live ... if Ive figgered my 100kph time/distance ratios correctly ..
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And the point is you are not allowed to have high beam on with an oncoming vehicle anyway.. Some pen pushers really need to get out into the real world once in a while.

The good news though is they are not enforcing this rule and will be looking at the regulations over the next 12 months to see if they should be updated to keep up with technology.

However that said, it's a crock of sh!t anyway, which they even tell you in there own press release

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Under ADR 13/00 requirements, the minimum distance between two lights constituting a pair is 600mm, measured from the inner edges of the illuminating surfaces. While this specific requirement does not apply to driving lamps, it is strongly recommended that the LED light bars, when fitted as pairs, should be fitted in a way that complies with the distance requirement as closely as practicable.
I wonder how far a "strongly recommended" rule would carry in court when challenged with the actual ADR regulations?



Also love the way In QLD you can legally run 4 x 100w HID's across the roof WITH NO SEPERATION REQUIREMENT that would will fry the nits off a a roo at 1000 metres, but if someone can't tell if your light bar is one or two units at 200 metres you might get booked... Ask the same person how many 100w HID's are on the vehicle at 200 metres.. I bet they cant. You will then have to give them a lift somewhere as they would not be able to see for a few hours!
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OK, I replaced the globes in the spotties with 55w 5000k HID's and went down to the school carpark to line them up and see how they go, so took some pics for comparisons. Not overly impressed with the 5000k and have already ordered some 4300k versions. Still just that little to blue for me. Which is fine as a mate wants these now anyway.

I had the camera locked onto a fixed night setting so that no settings would change between shots.

Firstly, Stock Low Beam only:



Secondly, Stock High Beam only:



High Beam + 55w HID (1 x spread and 1 x spot beams - 6in XrayVision by Britax from TJM)



Hi Beam + LEDs - (6 x 2.5in square 15w ebay specials set up in 2 blocks of 3)



Hi Beam + LEDs + Spotties (the works)



And in reference to the discussion above regarding separation of the LED light bars, this is a shot from directly in front during the day to show all the lights, then at about 20 metres away in the dark, so you can see how easy it is to see all the separate lights...

Daytime:


Nighttime:
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LOL, Yeah the missus keeps telling me I have gone over board, though not compared to many others!

Main surprise from the test was how much brighter $240 worth of ebay LEDs (bought 3 pairs of 15w LED's at approx $80 a pair) were compared to two 55w HID driving lamps. I knew the driving lamps would be better at distance, but didn't think the spread would so weak compared to the LED's.
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I'm trying to get a handle on the depth of light penetration here. How far is from the car to those couple of trees just off centre right in the distance?
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The bit about lightbars needing a divider comes from an interpretation of the ADRs that says that headlights & driving lights must be fitted in pairs. So someone interpreted this to mean that a lightbar that was not even conceived when the rule was written must be visible as 2 separate items...

If you, therefore, have it set up as only an 'offroad' light, no separator is necessary, however the overly officious will demand that it has a cover if you are onroad...

As for HID inserts, any headlight system that is brighter than 2000 Lumens, as said above, must have a cleaning system, (spray & wiper), be auto leveling. Also, the housing must be specifi\cally designed so as to avoid glare for oncoming traffic.

Mind you, if you get a set that is a similar colour temp to normal headlights instead of extremely blue ones, you will almost certainly be ignored. (So stick to no more than 5300K colour temp, the really blue ones are 6000K to 8000K & the purple ones are 12000K. Sunlight is ~4300K and daylight (sun + sky) is ~5300K.)
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I'm trying to get a handle on the depth of light penetration here. How far is from the car to those couple of trees just off centre right in the distance?
The pedestrian crossing is approx 25m away and the trees at "the end of the road" are about 75m away

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The bit about lightbars needing a divider comes from an interpretation of the ADRs that says that headlights & driving lights must be fitted in pairs. So someone interpreted this to mean that a lightbar that was not even conceived when the rule was written must be visible as 2 separate items...

If you, therefore, have it set up as only an 'offroad' light, no separator is necessary, however the overly officious will demand that it has a cover if you are onroad...

As for HID inserts, any headlight system that is brighter than 2000 Lumens, as said above, must have a cleaning system, (spray & wiper), be auto leveling. Also, the housing must be specifically designed so as to avoid glare for oncoming traffic.

Mind you, if you get a set that is a similar colour temp to normal headlights instead of extremely blue ones, you will almost certainly be ignored. (So stick to no more than 5300K colour temp, the really blue ones are 6000K to 8000K & the purple ones are 12000K. Sunlight is ~4300K and daylight (sun + sky) is ~5300K.)
Interesting your interpretation or understanding on the effective colours is the same as mine. If you have a look at that second last pic looking at all lights on in daylight, look at the colour of the spotties. To blue for me yet they are 5000K. I am pulling them out and replacing with 4300K as I really don't like the blue tinge at all. I did check the packaging, and the lights themselves and they are all labelled 5000k, so it doesn't seem to be a misprint. I had 6000K on my bikes H4 headlight and it was way to noticeably blue, I havent replaced it yet (stuck a stock H4 globe back in) but might upgrade it to 4300 as well.

I have just realised that I bought 'inferior' DC kits instead of the 'superior' AC kits which are supposed to hold colour a lot better and give the bulbs better life span, so will see in a week or two when the replacements arrive. At least they only take a minute or two to install as everything fits nicely inside the light assembly connected to the original H1 spade connectors.


I am also thinking of relocating the two LED bars from the top of the bull bar hoop (they are visible there when driving and annoy me a little) to the top of the bull bar wings right at the base of the front guards. Any one mounted lights in a similar place?
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LOL, Yeah the missus keeps telling me I have gone over board, though not compared to many others!
Funny you should mention the going overboard bit. I just purchased a 50in LED light bar for the roof rack and the missus said the same thing. So I now have a HID headlight upgrade, Halogen Spotties (for long distance) and the LED Light bar (for the close in spread beam). What I really would prefer is Standard Headlights with the upgraded wiring loom and globes with the HID spotlights and the LED light bar.

I really dont like the HID headlights and given the risk that they may be pissing other drivers off I would prefer to have something a bit more stockish as my everyday stuff and then bring out the big guns for country night driving and offroad use.
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