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11-12-2018
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The ratings systems are a point in time snapshot, the goalposts keep moving.
My old 2007 Aurion got 5 Stars back in 2007. It would be lucky to get 3 now....
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11-12-2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mace1
The ratings systems are a point in time snapshot, the goalposts keep moving.
My old 2007 Aurion got 5 Stars back in 2007. It would be lucky to get 3 now....
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I see what you mean but I guess the goalpost is really “how safe is this vehicle compared to other new vehicles I could buy right now”. But yeah, in a way it’d be better to just keep add a star to the system every year or two so that vehicles of different ages can be compared.
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14-12-2018
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It's a disappointing outcome for the JL at best with over 4 billion invested at FCA in R&D it makes me wonder what they spent it on.
Even the latest Jimny scored three stars (with the goal post moved) in the same Euro NCAP testing.
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16-12-2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NTRubicon
2012+ gets 4 stars on ANCAP at the time they tested it. Today it would likely get 1 star from the NCAP assessment considering all the requirements (curtain airbags, seatbelt warnings for rear seat passengers, AEB, etc) but the crash test of the JLU doesn't look good in a frontal collision, and those passengers look a lot worse for wear compared to other vehicle crash tests in the segment.
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My 2016 JKU has curtain airbags. I check my rear pax for seatbelts and I would never rely on electronic warnings. As for emergency braking, how is that going to help when a vehicle leaves the opposite side of the road and hits you in an offset position? There are times when swerving to avoid a forward collision may be a preferred maneuver than to have emergency brakes applied for you when a Mack truck is bearing down behind you.
There has to be a limit in how much driver function needs to be overridden by a computer.
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24-12-2018
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Interestingly I witnessed a rear end collision between a Mazda 2 and an older 2wd hilux ute. The ute ran up the back of the Mazda not doing more than 50km/h. The Mazda looked like it had been hit by a Mack truck. It distingrated right up the the front seats. If there had been anyone sitting in the back, they would have looked like smashed avo and would have had no chance. The Mazda scores a very safe 5 star ANCAP.
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24-12-2018
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Originally Posted by clip
Interestingly I witnessed a rear end collision between a Mazda 2 and an older 2wd hilux ute. The ute ran up the back of the Mazda not doing more than 50km/h. The Mazda looked like it had been hit by a Mack truck. It distingrated right up the the front seats. If there had been anyone sitting in the back, they would have looked like smashed avo and would have had no chance. The Mazda scores a very safe 5 star ANCAP.
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You’ve given a very good example of why a ladder-chassis vehicle in this day and age should have AEB - vehicles that are bigger, heavier and that brake and handle worse than the average vehicle should have all the tools to avoid/minimise injury to other road users.
Also, I’m not sure the rear passengers in a Wrangler would necessarily fare a hell of a lot better in a 50kph rear-ender from a Hilux. They’d probably just have different injuries.
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24-12-2018
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Originally Posted by lujabe
Also, I’m not sure the rear passengers in a Wrangler would necessarily fare a hell of a lot better in a 50kph rear-ender from a Hilux. They’d probably just have different injuries.
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No injuries in the Mazda, they would have been killed, no chance of surviving.
But I do take your point for sure. What needs to happen though is that the right system is put into all cars i.e. the systems that will operate reliably and consistently, and not just work under 30km/h but the systems that will operate at high speed as well. As usual, there is a mishmash of different systems (Subaru for example) that rely on different tech, along with ones that work at different speeds etc.
Last edited by clip; 24-12-2018 at 09:07 AM.
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