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Is it already regod in Vic? If so, I'd keep it as is. But you'll be going bloody hard to use the tyres and suspension you have on a lot of Vic tracks. Unless you wanna do hard wheeling, I don't feel the lift and giant tyres are worth it for the on road problems... Try to find a 2 or 3" lift and swap it for your one and sell the big tyres and go a 33 or something or even 32/31... My XJ is 2" lift and 28.5's, I do most tracks all my mates do with way bigger tyres and lift.... All a matter of what you want out of it. Touring rig or just a rockcrawling bush basher?
Well I did a bit of more research. And I found a message from the previous owner where he stated that it is actually a 6inch lift.
I thought this thru and giving up on the WJ would cause me quite a significant loss. Not so much in money but primarily in time and what I went thru.

So what I am going to do is this: I bring down the lift to 4 inch. 4 inch because I can do it by simply swap the spring and the shocks. If I bring it down to less than 4 inc I need to exchange track bar, long arm, sway bar connector. I also will get rid of the 35 inch tire and get 31 inch tires instead. I still might be 1 inch over the limit but it is at least not so obvious as it is right now and I can avoid that the police stop me and label my car as a defect by the sheer size as of now.

This can be done with a minimal investment of 1000 Dollar which is still ok for me. Better than losing 5000 Dollar or more.
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It actually 3 inch. Just read it up. It has been changed in recent times. This due to align the laws in NSW and in QLD.
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Hi Mate,

Just an opinion coz like an ace, everybody’s got one.

#1: Sensible, make sense
#2: You would have to sell it cheap for parts. It is not roadworthy anywhere in Australia.
#3: Possible but sad for the WJ
#4: You will not be able to as wayyy beyond limits.
#5: Crossing the roa
d blind folded or on the mobile..fb, snapchat or something...RISKY


Ffom my recollection from 2 years ago, in VIC, no engineering for up to 3”. Anything above 3”-6” requires engineering. Beyond 6” is a no no except for some cases of extreme mods.



Not sure how it is in QLD/VIC but in NSW, one would need only a PINK slip if the vehicle was previously registered and rego has not lapsed. PINK slip tests are minimal, ie: brakes, lights, etc but and other modifications not even looked at. So if you were to modify your Jeep while rego is current, you could get away with registering it but not necessarily make it legal to drive. Kinda cheating yourself really.

Sorry that the previous owner did not make that clear to you but then again......
Thanks again Tyvokka.

The roadworthy actually states that steering, tires and suspension has been inspected and approved.

For my understanding any decent inspector should have asked for the engineering certificate or simply refused the roadworthy. Why do you have to go through that process if these find of cases don't get identified?

I have the roadworthy with me (the previous owner has most likely left Australia for US one of the reasons he sold the car) and I called the company who provided the roadworthy and asked for clarification. I am still waiting for a reply (if I will ever get one) bit even the guy on the phone said that this car should have never gotten a roadworthy under these circumstances.

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Which document are you referring to?
The document you posted with Option 1 states 75mm total lift, which is lift + tyres, with certificates required for 50mm+ lifts. Or am I missing something?
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It actually 3 inch. Just read it up. It has been changed in recent times. This due to align the laws in NSW and in QLD.

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The document you posted with Option 1 states 75mm total lift, which is lift + tyres, with certificates required for 50mm+ lifts. Or am I missing something?
You are right, but you can stick with the tires an go for a 3 inch lift instead. In my case I have to turn the screw at both sides, need to downsize the tires and lower the lift.

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You are right, but you can stick with the tires an go for a 3 inch lift instead. In my case I have to turn the screw at both sides, need to downsize the tires and lower the lift.

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I don't think you can, the 2nd part of the rules states that the lift needs to be certified (i.e. engineered) if its over 50mm.

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and certification normally required by VSB 14 for lifts above 50 mm provided the following requirements are met. The vehicle’s suspension may be raised by up to 50mm, provided that at least two thirds of the original suspension travel in either direction is retained.
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The previous owner said it would be a 5 inch lift. Did you mean outside or inside?

I measured around 63 cm from the centre to the outside of the arch at the rear and around 66 to 68 cm at the front. Hard to tell since the tire bends the measure.
I meant outside, you are allowed up to 619mm front (stock is 569mm) and 636mm rear (stock is 586mm), and upto 31.5" tires without engineering.

the lift kit that you have is able to be engineered in its current state as it has been done before but will require a lane change test

Unfortunately to engineer your tires you will need to replace your diffs with ones that are certified to run 35"+ tires, a prorock dana 44 or dana 60 for example, but you would still need to do the test.

I have the same suspension kit in my wj and have been looking into it for awhile now, but i am not too worried as its only for weekends and never sees road use.
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I meant outside, you are allowed up to 619mm front (stock is 569mm) and 636mm rear (stock is 586mm), and upto 31.5" tires without engineering.

the lift kit that you have is able to be engineered in its current state as it has been done before but will require a lane change test.

Unfortunately to engineer your tires you will need to replace your diffs with ones that are certified to run 35"+ tires, a prorock dana 44 or dana 60 for example, but you would still need to do the test.

I have the same suspension kit in my wj and have been looking into it for awhile now, but i am not too worried as its only for weekends and never sees road use.
Thanks Straubz. As I said, I will go for the 4 inch lift and then lower my tires to 31 inch. I am also planning to use my car primarily for off road trips and get a second car for the daily routines.
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