DOORS OFF: Answers from QLD Transport - Page 2 - AUSJEEPOFFROAD.COM Jeep News Australia and New Zealand

Go Back   AUSJEEPOFFROAD.COM Jeep News Australia and New Zealand > GENERAL > General Jeep Chat
Register Forums Trading Your Jeep My Garage Mark All Read

Post New Thread  Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #8  
Old 30-04-2010
bigredtj  bigredtj is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 506
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I'm pretty sure old dizzy got to the same point and it never went any further
  #9  
Old 25-01-2011
Pura Vida's Avatar
Pura Vida  Pura Vida is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sydney (from NC, USA)
Age: 42
Posts: 44
What Jeep do I drive?: TJ
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Argument for Defense of Driving Without Doors

I was given a ticket for driving without doors in my 2001 TJ and I have 3 days to file a review. I've drafted an email below that I plan on sending to the sdro in a couple days after improving it through your suggestions.

No need to reply with opinions not supported by factual evidence.

I also plan on collecting supported arguments and evidence for the legality and safe roadworthiness of driving a TJ without doors, which I plan to submit to several engineers in hopes that I can convince an engineer to certify my TJ as roadworthy.
__________________
Pura Vida is white 2001 TJ with 31" tires and 2" lift
  #10  
Old 25-01-2011
Pura Vida's Avatar
Pura Vida  Pura Vida is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sydney (from NC, USA)
Age: 42
Posts: 44
What Jeep do I drive?: TJ
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Draft Email to sdro

draft email:

I received a fine for not having doors, but 2001 Jeep Wrangler TJs were designed to remove the doors just like the roof, etc. I can take off and put on my doors in less than two seconds without the use of tools.

In the owner’s manual (as well as on the vehicle) it says that “The top and doors on this vehicle are designed only for protection against the elements. Do not rely on the top and doors to contain occupants within the vehicle or to protect against injury during an accident. Wear seatbelts at all times.” “Although your vehicle may be equipped with a soft top or optional hard top to give the occupants protection from the weather, these tops do not offer structural protection in the event of an accident and do not change the open-body characteristic of the vehicle.”

Motorbikes do not have doors, nor seatbelts—as designed. I know Jeep Wranglers (although safer than motorbikes even without doors) are not motorbikes—but nor are they standard cars designed to need doors either.

The doors which were designed to be optionally removed do not provide additional protection in a collision because they don’t contain side intrusion beams as are standard with other vehicles. However, the structure of the chassis without the doors was designed to sustain impact on its own without doors and complies with the "Dynamic Side Impact Occupant Protection" ADR due to the height of the seat, not due to protection offered by the doors, as the doors offer nothing more than protection from the elements (weather).

However, unless the side mirrors are relocated via after market brackets they will not comply with other ADRs. I have, however, relocated the side mirrors to the chassi in order to comply with the requirement to have mirrors.

The owner’s manual also references in several other places that the vehicle was designed to be driven with the doors removed:

Page 82: “NOTE: If the doors are to be removed, pull the #4 fuse from the fuse block to prevent dome lamp illumination.”

Page 103: “Outside rear view mirrors are mounted on the doors. If you choose to remove the doors, see your authorized dealer for a replacement cowl-mounted outside mirror.... NOTE: If the doors are removed, the courtesy lights will remain on. To turn these lights off, remove fuse #4 in the fuse panel. Refer to ‘Fuse Panel’ in Section 7 of this manual.”

Page 104: “(Warning) If you remove the doors, store them outside the vehicle. In the event of an accident, a loose door may cause personal injury.”

As described above, unlike other vehicles, which were designed to be driven with doors, the Jeep Wrangler TJ model was intentionally designed to be safely operated with the doors removed...as well as the top—just like motorbikes and other non-standard cars.
__________________
Pura Vida is white 2001 TJ with 31" tires and 2" lift
  #11  
Old 25-01-2011
jklad's Avatar
jklad  jklad is offline
Full Flexer
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sydney
Posts: 583
What Jeep do I drive?: JK
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pura Vida View Post
I was given a ticket for driving without doors in my 2001 TJ and I have 3 days to file a review. I've drafted an email below that I plan on sending to the sdro in a couple days after improving it through your suggestions.

No need to reply with opinions not supported by factual evidence.

I also plan on collecting supported arguments and evidence for the legality and safe roadworthiness of driving a TJ without doors, which I plan to submit to several engineers in hopes that I can convince an engineer to certify my TJ as roadworthy.
keep us informed on how this pans out will ya mate; many of us here would love to see someone find a definite legal resolution to this issue so we all know where we stand.
  #12  
Old 25-01-2011
crawl3r's Avatar
crawl3r  crawl3r is offline
RubiconSlammer
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,466
What Jeep do I drive?: TJ
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

i think youve got a good arguent there but i recon insted of comparing the tj to a motorbike for example find another car that is legal to drive without doors, i can just se them saying, well a motorbike and a car are totally different

you can drive those beach buggy things onroad without doors and im unsure of the model but a certain older jeep had doors as a factory option when it rolled out of the product line so you could bring this up also...just do some research and know your stuff

you defiantly have my support haha good luck mate!
__________________
AUSJEEPOFFROAD.COM
  #13  
Old 25-01-2011
Pura Vida's Avatar
Pura Vida  Pura Vida is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Sydney (from NC, USA)
Age: 42
Posts: 44
What Jeep do I drive?: TJ
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

[QUOTE=crawl3r;1160409]you can drive those beach buggy things onroad without doors and im unsure of the model but a certain older jeep had doors as a factory option when it rolled out of the product line so you could bring this up also...QUOTE]

Do you have any sources to quote about beach buggies being street legal or about older vehicles in general?
__________________
Pura Vida is white 2001 TJ with 31" tires and 2" lift
  #14  
Old 25-01-2011
Macca2801's Avatar
Macca2801  Macca2801 is offline
MudSplasher
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth
Posts: 1,915
What Jeep do I drive?: JK
Likes: 98
Liked 38 Times in 26 Posts
Default

[quote=Pura Vida;1160416]
Quote:
Originally Posted by crawl3r View Post
you can drive those beach buggy things onroad without doors and im unsure of the model but a certain older jeep had doors as a factory option when it rolled out of the product line so you could bring this up also...QUOTE]

Do you have any sources to quote about beach buggies being street legal or about older vehicles in general?
Moke California, Bushrangie, Willys Jeep...might be helpful!
__________________
I have no argument but I'm an engineer and right despite having no argument, so don't argue with me!
Post New Thread  Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On





All times are GMT +10. The time now is 01:05 AM.


Advertisements




AJOR does not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of AJOR or any entity associated with AJOR, nor should any advice be substituted as technical advice replacing that of a mechanic. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use AJOR to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, religious, political or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by AJOR. The owner, administrators and moderators of AJOR reserve the right to delete any message or members for any or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless AJOR, the administrators, moderators, and their agents with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). The use of profile signatures to intentionally mislead or misdirect any member on this forum is not acceptable and may result in your account being suspended. Any trip that is organised through the AJOR forum is participated at your own risk. If you or your vehicle is damaged it is your responsibility, not that of the person that posted the thread, message or topic initiating the trip, nor the organisers of AJOR or moderators of any specific forum. This forum and associated website is the property of AJOR. No user data is harvested and no information supplied in your registration will be sold for profit.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

AJOR © 2002 - 2024 AUSJEEPOFFROAD.COM. All corporate trademarked names and logos are property of their respective owners. Ausjeepoffroad is in no way associated with DaimlerChrysler Corporation or Fiat Jeep.
www.ausjeep.com www.ausjeep.com.au www.midlifemate.com ausjeepforum.com www.r9kustoms.com
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=