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Originally Posted by yoda42
Correy, I think you need to revisit your math, the only thing that stays constant when using Pythagoras is the 90 degree angle the other angles change as you change the length of the sides of the triangle, my answer to the original question still stands there will be such a small difference to approach angle between the two bars it's not really a factor in a decision between the two bars, what has my Murchison products lift got to do with this conversation, yes I want to have better approach, ramp over and departure angles in other words ground clearance so my GC performers Better off-road, but that makes no difference to the approach angle difference between the two bars that's completely down to the form factor of the two bars, and take those approach angles quoted by ARB as a guide as it will vary with model, engine type, accessories and individual vehicle, the Uneek bar also improved approach angle over stock so either bar is a win, I still say the main factors in a decision between the two bars will be looks and price, and ARB will have a small advantage in offering a non winch bar option that is cheaper, has any one got a price for the ARB winch bar version to compare to the Uneek bar?
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Yoda my math is fine. You may however need to revisit your logic and/or English since are either not reading my posts or trying to argue by agreeing with me.
The fact is the height at which a bar sits will effect the approach angle.
The Uneek bar definitely seems to sit lower. Another fact is your 60mm estimate will never equate to 5mm in the end result. You see as we both agree that the vertical side of each bar is approximately the same (thickness of the bar) and they are both 145mm deep and there is a 90 degree angle between these two sides the 60mm (your estimate) deference between the tops of the bars will transfer directly to the bottom of the two bars.
The relevance of your Murchison products lift was to demonstrate the 'significance' of 60mm when we are talking about any form of clearance since you seem to disagree with my definition of 'significant'. If you still think 60mm is significant drop your rig by 60mm and come back and tell me 60mm is insignificant.
Approach angles will vary from vehicle to vehicle depending on mods. Front bar being one of these variables. If there is 60mm difference between the two bars then it needs to be factored in not magically changed to 5mm.
I will say again to you that legible the 60mm WILL effect the approach angle I don't believe it is a major factor.
I don't think you can dismiss the weight or strength of the bar as a deciding factor. (During the development of the Uneek bar there was a lot of talk about alloy vs steel and if you read back you will see there were a number of people that definitely wanted a steel bar. Recovery points are also a significant factor as I stated in my first post the ARB bar only has a 4.5t tow point on the driver side. This won't suit a lot people. Then there is the style or look of the bar which we both seem to agree on. Price may be a factor but with only a few hundred dollars between them (less once you add in arb's winch kit if required) on a vehicle worth tens of thousands of dollars I don't think it will be as significant as weight/strength or recovery options.
They are both great bars and we agree that both will be an improvement on standard. But each bar will suit different people and different purposes.
You are clearly a Uneek advocate and I can understand why. Dave has done some great work supporting the WK2 and wider jeep community. He is to be applauded for it.
You should not however key that passion for his products get in the way of the facts.
At no point was I rubbishing the Uneek bar, I think it is great. It just doesn't win hands down on each category and at an estimate approach angle MAY be one of those.
Like I said in the first post. I'm still deciding which is going to suit my needs the best.
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