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There is no difference in chance really off being picked up local or in QLD, we just went through an RBT in a 7" lifted commander (hemi of course) and didnt even get a second look lol
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Due to the ongoing shenanigans there, I would have to evaluate my participation unfortunately. The potential consequences of being defected would just be a nightmare to deal with.

This is the one of the latest QLD popo defect for a legal NSW vehicle. The bullshit keeps happening.

How would one deal with it if defected and being a thousand kms away from home with no additional leave from work. How much $$$, efforts, headache, heartache etc, would that cause.

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Mark Bailey MP - Labor for Miller recently promised modified vehicles from other state jurisdictions would not be defected if they were legally modified in their home state and came to Queensland. Seems he forgot to tell Mark Ryan MP, as Queensland Police Service continue to defect interstate vehicles which are legally modified in their home states.

After crossing the Noosa River via the Tewantin Ferry, Chris was driving his NSW registered (one month old) Toyota Hilux SR5 up the Teewah Beach (Noosa North Shore) and was stopped by members of Nambour Road Policing Command conducting speed, RBT, and vehicle compliance testing (all being filmed by 7 News Brisbane crew). Initially the police officer was going to book Chris for not displaying his "P Plates" - Chris has held his license for 14 years in NSW and is qualified to drive "B" Doubles / Road Trains... he has a P1 rider code as he has started riding a motorcycle, but this does not mean his whole license and all his codes drop back to "Provisional". Chris won that discussion, which we understand was captured by the Channel 7 News crew.

The officer then turned his attention to the modified vehicle, and after much conflicting debate, Chris was issued with a "Drive/Park a Defective Vehicle" Traffic Infringement Notice, which we note has NO TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT THE DEFECT ON IT. Unfortunately, the news crew had moved on by this stage.

Vehicle modifications legislation and certification in NSW is not the same to QLD, we use "fixed limits" of 50mm increase of tyre diameter, while NSW is percentage based on 7%... i.e. you can increase tyre diameter in NSW up to 7% by yourself, then engineering is required for any increase over this size - and you don't have to submit requests and approvals to the transport department, the Approved Persons / Engineers can do this within their own workshops "at the coal face".

Chris's Hilux is fitted with a Tyre Placard which says the tyre size is 265/60R18, meaning it has a diameter of 749mm. However, the NSW standards states engineering / certification is required when: "A change in the diameter of the wheel and tyre combination in excess of +/- 7% of the largest size specified by the vehicle manufacturer." But the Tyre Placard does not show the "largest size specified by the manufacturer", this detail is located on "Road Vehicle Certification System" (RVCS) website, and states the Hilux SR5 has three different tyre sizes for this vehicle make and model; the Tyre Placard has NEVER been the source of truth for tyre measurements. RVCS is a federal system aligned with ADRs.

RVSC tells us the Toyota Hilux SR5 has a largest tyre of 265/65R17 (diameter of 777mm) and Chris has fitted 285/70R17 (diameter of 831mm), this means 831mm-777mm = 60mm diameter increase (Illegal in Queensland), however 831mm/777mm*100 = 6.9% (Legal in NSW, as its not in excess of 7%).

The 4WD Queensland Association continues to be concerned with the vehicle modification issues and misalignments across state jurisdictions, and how they are interpreted and enforced by QPS, if they don't understand interstate legislation. We are also concerned there may be many more Traffic Infringement Notices which have been issued in error, but the recipients are not aware of their rights and their allowed standards, or bothered contesting the fraudulent tickets. This has a marked effect on our state tourism, with many people still cancelling trips and activities our clubs have planned for 2019.

We have asked Mark Bailey MP - Labor for Miller many times to meet to discuss these issues, however we've been advised by another Queensland ALP MP that "he has no intention" to meet with us. That's sad he's not interested in talking to the community that helps vote the government in, and who represents his key government portfolio.

We do acknowledge Mark Ryan MP has forwarded our previous concerns regarding the misuse of Type 2 Illegal Modifications (Anti-Hooning Legislation) to the Queensland Police Service, and we are meeting with the Operation Commander of Road Policing Command on Wednesday to discuss these points - thank you.

It is time we start aligning correctly. FYI - All states and territory registration authorities were asked at the last Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board (AMVCB) to adopt the NSW suspension / tyre and rim manuals, in lieu of the NCOP sections. TMR haven't made that public, nor asked for community feedback, have they passed these details onto the Minister when it’s such a contentious issue, or keep it internal of the department?... time will tell. Or you can ring them up and ask them...

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ok so if you are from interstate and defected whilst in QLD, what would be the consequence?
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ok so if you are from interstate and defected whilst in QLD, what would be the consequence?



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So people can make an informed decision, some of the realities of life in Oz

PLOT THICKENS FOR DEFECTED INTERSTATE VEHICLE - Attn: Mark Bailey MP - Labor for Miller, Mark Ryan MP and Annastacia Palaszczuk MP, is this how we treat interstate tourists, or even our own motoring community?

On 28 Dec 2018 we posted about Chris, a NSW 4WDer on holidays in Queensland with his family, when we was pulled over after crossing the Noosa River via the Tewantin Ferry, driving his NSW registered (one month old / 3rd tank of fuel) Toyota Hilux SR5 up the Teewah Beach (Noosa North Shore) by members of Nambour Road Policing Command. Initially the police officer wanted to book Chris for not displaying his "P Plates", because he had a provisional motorcycle code on his license, which held no relevance as Chris had 14 years of open license and was qualified to drive "B" Doubles / Road Trains... this interaction was recorded by a Channel 7 news crew.

We've been advised that Chris was then redirected away from the "intercept zone" (and Channel 7 news crew) after the officer stated "lets go over there and talk further" (to that affect), and got Chris to drive his vehicle up the beach, and parked with his nose up towards the sand dunes (tail to the ocean). The vehicle is now parked on uneven terrain, which is confirmed in the screenshot from the officer's body cam; this is the point where Chris was told he was being defected as his tyres were too big.

Chris was issued with a "Drive/Park a Defective Vehicle" Traffic Infringement Notice which had NO TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT THE DEFECT ON IT, and when he contacted the Nambour Road Policing Unit later to re-confirm the exact infringement details, the booking officer again stated his tyres were oversize, at 7.2% diameter increase (NSW standard). As this was not written on the infringement notice, Chris asked him to get this in writing so he knew exactly what issue he needed to address as his vehilce is covered by NSW standards, however the officer stated it was "against QPS policy" to provide further details about the infringement notice, and would not provide any additional information in written form, for Chris to be able to follow up and defend the infringement. The booking officer re-iterated verbally that Chris's tyre increase was 7.2% diameter and was illegal by NSW standards.

We have since validated Chris's NSW registered vehicle's tyre and rim combination where not actually illegal under either the NSW or QLD standards, and therefore he should not have been defected at all while in Queensland. Chris followed up and sent the technical details / evidence to the Nambour Office In Charge of the Road Policing Unit and requested for the infringement to be dismissed, as his tyres were measured to be only 35mm increase in diameter from his factory tyres, being a total 4.291% increase in diameter under the NSW standard.

Chris received an email back from the Nambour Officer In Charge which stated:

=== Start QPS Email Quote ===

The intercept relating to your matter was recorded by Sgt. RICHARDS on his Body Worn Video Camera. I have reviewed this video and can confirm that the following occurred during this intercept.
• Sgt. RICHARDS stated to you that you had committed 2 offences
• The first offence being an illegal modification in regards to the size of the tyres
• The second offence being a defective vehicle in regards to the tyres protruding from the vehicle
• Sgt. RICHARDS states that he will just issue you the Defective Vehicle ticket

Although the intercept was originally in regards to your tyre sizes, your allegation that the ticket issued was originally about the tyre size is incorrect. The ticket issued was only ever in relation to the tyres protruding from the vehicle.

In regards to the your protruding tyres, I refer you to Section 4.4 Queensland Code Of Practice Vehicle Modifications - Version 4 - 2018 – Section 4.4 – Wheels and Tyres, which states that 'The wheels must be contained within the bodywork or mudguards'. Although the photographs you have provided allegedly show that your tyres are within the vehicle at the point directly above the tyre, the tyre must be contained within the vehicle all the way around to the bottom of the mudflaps or vehicle. As per the provided screenshot below from Sgt. RICHARDS video, your tyres are not contained within the mudguards. A closer look at the photos provided by yourself also verify the tyres are not contained within the entire bodywork of your vehicle. As a result of this review, I have made the decision that this ticket will not be suspended or waived.

=== End QPS Email Quote ===

SGT Richards issued Chris a defect on oversize tyres, however now this has been contested / confirmed incorrect for both NSW and QLD, he wasn't told the defect is for tyres protruding from the vehicle? But how can we validate what the initial defect was for, when it's not written on the Infringement Notice, and QPS has a policy to not provide further details to an infringed driver?

The Officer In Charge has stated that Chris's tyres protrude, quoting QCOP reference LS9, Section 4.4... No, stop right there!... This is a NSW vehicle, is does NOT need to conform to QLD modification standards, throw that book out the window.... surely QPS got the memo from @Mark Bailey M that interstate vehicle's aren't to be defected if they're legal in their own state (NSW), so QCOP should not be used as any type of reference for interstate vehicles.

However, let's investigate this anyway... The Officer In Charge has referenced QCOP LS9 Section 4.4 in regards to tyres needing to "remain inside bodywork and mudguards"... Considering LS9 (QCOP) or LS7 (NCOP) states this, these codes are for "High Lift Suspension" modifications, which Chris certainly doesn't have installed. However, if you want to confer further on QLD standards, then TMR "G19.11 - Vehicle Standards Instructions - Minor Modifications" (December 201, states the modifications applicable to Chris's vehicle WOULD NOT need to be certified under QCOP LS9, further G19 states under section "General Conditions for Alternative Rims and Tyres" (Page 12):

• G19.11: "The rims and tyres must not protrude beyond the bodywork of the vehicle, including flares, when viewed from above with the wheels facing straight ahead. If the vehicle was originally constructed with a portion of the wheel protruding, the alternative wheels must not protrude further than the original ones".

Key words, "viewed from above". This is significantly different to "wheels must be contained within the bodywork or mudguards", just as the application of LS9 and G19 are significantly different from the Officer In Charge's perspective. Further, the Officer In Charge states "although the photographs you have provided allegedly show that your tyres are within the vehicle at the point directly above the tyre", should not be stated as "allegedly". Chris was defected by SGT Richards after he was directed onto uneven terrain (seen in his body cam), and Chris later provided follow up pictures on flat terrain, using spirit levels to prove the tyres were inside the wheel arch as "viewed from above". This infringement should never have been issued, should not have been re-confirmed by the Officer In Charge, and should be thrown out with immediate effect. This particular vehicle is fully legal using both NSW and QLD modification standards.

On 2 Jan, representatives of the major Queensland Motoring Community groups meet with QPS's Operations Commander of Road Policing Command and TMR representatives. @4WD Queensland Association raised the issue of Traffic Infringement Notices not having exact details of the infringement notated on the document. The overwhelming response from QPS representatives indicated the system was fine, as drivers have been explained why they have been issued an infringement notice and there shouldn't be any confusion, however this is a clear example of an interstate driver asking for validation, being denied, and the infringement seems be now be different once the initial issue was rebuked... THERE SHOULD BE NO AMBIGUATY when it comes to any legal proceedings, particularly traffic infringements, they need to have all the details notated and correct - they can't seen to be misintepreted or "fluid".

Mark Bailey MP - Labor for Miller provided assurances that interstate vehicles would not be defected if they were legal in their own home state, well it appears this is not the case, and there is significant concern about how QPS are issuing infringements without full disclosure of offences for the motorist to be able to follow up and seek legal advice.

The 4WD Queensland Association continues to be concerned with the vehicle modification issues and misalignments across state jurisdictions, and how they are interpreted and enforced by QPS, if they don't understand interstate legislation. We are also concerned there may be many more Traffic Infringement Notices which have been issued in error, but the recipients are not aware of their rights and their allowed standards, or bothered contesting the fraudulent tickets. This has a marked effect on our state tourism, with many people still cancelling trips and activities our clubs have planned for 2019.

This issue has nothing to do with road safety.





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Yep same vehicle, the 1 defected over Xmas.

Im not sure whether you're trying to stop the event, turn people away or what Tyvokka.

People who wish to book can! Those who don't, no worries! We will be there either way having a cracking good time!

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Yep same vehicle, the 1 defected over Xmas.

Im not sure whether you're trying to stop the event, turn people away or what Tyvokka.

People who wish to book can! Those who don't, no worries! We will be there either way having a cracking good time!

No, not at all, can’t help it if that is how you feel.

I actually do want to go to Jambo but at them same do not want to lose my rig.

I love Jambo and everything that goes with it.

This is my genuine concern and no information on the contrary has been given.

Personal attack on me to quiten the situation down is not the way to go, it is just cheap and easy.

If there is nothing to worry about, then maybe you could highlight them here.

Please do keep in mind, that this is a concern for some here and you could allay our fears by providing a contructive argument.

“The 1 defect” over christmas is just one example........ I did not make it up.
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No, not at all, can’t help it if that is how you feel.



I actually do want to go to Jambo but at them same do not want to lose my rig.



I love Jambo and everything that goes with it.



This is my genuine concern and no information on the contrary has been given.



Personal attack on me to quiten the situation down is not the way to go, it is just cheap and easy.



If there is nothing to worry about, then maybe you could highlight them here.
We just want to run a cool Jambo for the Jeepers. That's all champ.

It's amazing the amount of negativity and obstruction you get doing this.

We don't care how modified or stock your Jeep is. If it's illegal that's not up to me, that's between you and the police/transport. When you want to continually scare people on the event page, yep I'll answer.

There is not a single law in this country allowing the police to seize your vehicle for modifications on the first offense. So that amount of scaremongering does concern me.


As to your aims, I have no idea.


It's going to be a great event, so many people working hard to make it so, and ill support every one of them against all opposition!

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