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Many cars are having the air bag replaced with the exact same unit, will need to be done again.
To put things in perspective you are more likely to die in your own shower. Many times more likely to die falling off a ladder. More likely to be hit by lightning. More likely to be killed by a family member.
But do you really want to take that risk?

Our media guy at work has just reported to us that there's a group of angry car owners gone to the ACCC for class action and are demanding a buy-back if the manufacturer can't resolve the issue in a sensible time.

That'd be awkward if it comes full-circle
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... More likely to be killed by a family member.
Especially if they just survived injuries from a defective air bag going off in their face!

Oh, I agree, really, on the chances, but I have survived 22 years riding motorbikes commuting to from work upto 100km each way, daily. But I didn't manage that by taking unnecessary risks. I only took the ones I chose to take, and precausions against the unnecessary ones.

Dodgy airbags come under the Unnecessary Risks column, in my book.
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If you hit an immovable object like a tree at 60 ks in a 4x4 on a chassis with bugger all crumple zones you will want that nasty Taketa airbag to go off..

And all this is trivial compared to what will happen with self driving cars and electronic gremlins.. Tesla has already killed people..
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The air bag is still more likely to save your life than cause your death. It "apparently" only affects the air bag after 5 or 6 years. And don't forget you still have to be involved in a rather serious crash to set the bag off.
Complaining that Jeep are not doing enough when this affects most manufacturers and there is a world wide shortage of replacements is a bit childish. Mazda and Honda and others are putting the exact same air bag in knowing they will have to do it again. Another problem is that the manufacturer of the air bags has filed for bankruptcy.
More likely to die of a bee or wasp sting.
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Not sure where your pulling the statistics? I certainly cant find data that indicates how many out of a particular sample of passenger vehicles are involved in an accident that deploys frontal airbags to then compare that percentage against the estimated 7 million recalled vehicles and contrast this with the 202 known serious injuries or deaths to eatablish a baseline quantification of the risk.
I'm not in the prime age demogrphic of dying in the shower when I am ill probably take a bath. I am however in the prime age and gender demographic of serious vehicle accidents. I also have a 10 year old Jeep, that has spent most of its life either right next to the coast in a humid environment or traveling on dust or dirt both of which increase the risk.
The automotive industry has known about these potential issues for 4 years and FCA has only decided to act in the last 6 months and that action is apparently to do nothing but issue a recall with no suggested mitigation. The recall contains no advice as to the risk likelihood or measures that can be undertaken to reduce or mitigate the risk whilst they engineer out the problem. FCA also have no estimate of when a replacement part may be available.
If I think there is going to be lightning I stay inside, so by that theory I guess I should not be driving my car, for how long do I expect to be without my car?
I would not call complaining childish. I would call the entire Industries (including FCA's) responce to the problem as substandard particularly from an engineering and risk management practice perspective.
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Google is your friend. If as many people died in Jumbo jets world wide as do in motor cars in Victoria alone then the whole fleet of aircraft would be grounded. It's about perspective.
Your tyre may suffer catastrophic failure causing a crash in which the air bag deployed causing injury, what's to blame? If the sky were to fall you'd have a blue head, it's just not that big a deal. If you're that concerned just be more diligent when driving and not be involved in a crash.
220 out of 8000000000 people works out to be bugger all %.

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Oh, and just so you know, if your air bag deploys you will most likely wake up in hospital.
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

220 out of 8000000000 sounds perfectly reasonable, but is wrong. The numbers you are looking for are 220 out of <number of crashes where airbags have been deployed>, not out of vehicles sold.

And as I said, I agree with you that the chances are slim of it being defective, but mine is over 5 years old (it's an '08 model), and spent the first half of it's life in QLD and the rusty exposed metal says water & beaches, (original owner was around MacKay, I believe.) The JK is also a soft top, remember, andis often driven without the top up, so occasionally gets rain inside with unexpected showers while driving. So my risk is significantly higher than average... if I'm involved in a crash that triggers them.

But as I said, it's all about taking the risks you choose to take. And this is not one that is by my choice. Additionally the JK DOES have crumple zones, and it doesn't have to be me that screws up to cause the crash. I have to trust that today is not the day that an idiot is going to run head on into me. Or pull out in front of me, or... It's happened before and I've been "lucky" enough to walk away. (The bikes were not so lucky...) "Lucky", because I was wearing full riding gear of good quality that did it's job & protected me, not just a T shirt like many I see. Like I said, I choose my risks. But I don't wear gear that is possibly going to cause me more harm or kill me while being intended to protect me, even if it probably won't. (About a month ago, as I was driving one of the girls up to her dance class, I had someone coming the opposite way overtake the car infront of him that was doing 60, (in a 60 zone passing the primary school), over double lines & on my side of the pedestrian refuge island, and ducked back to his own side missing me head on by less than a car length, with me doing what I could to avoid him. He was still accelerating as he passed me, and if I had been a bit slower avoiding him, I would have found out what state the airbags were in. Thing is, one day I won't be able to dodge.

But what does it matter, really? It's probably ok, and it isn't my airbag that is the problem...
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