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Old 10-10-2017
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Question Lift and legalities

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I'm looking at lifts for a 2003 jeep wrangler, I have a quote for a 2inch lift and rang another place today and he told me that anything over 2inches would be illegal and unroadworthy/uninsurable - is this correct ? (In VIC FYI) If that's the case how do people get away with 4 inch lifts etc? I then asked about a 1inch body lift and he said they don't do them because of all the issues related and again 2 inch suspension and 1 inch body would not be roadworthy. I was hoping to run 33" tyres on the 2 inch lift, but it doesn't look likely, and neither quote could tell me what size tyres the 2 inch would give me clearance for. A third quote said they had nothing suitable and if I could find a lift kit they would install it but would take no responsibility after installation. I have done endless searches on lifts and tyre size etc and there is so much conflicting information I am well and truly stumped. What do people suggest I do?

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Check out the vendor list, there are a few jeep specialists down your way that should be able to help.

Double Black Offroad and Poly 4x4 to name a few.
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As a first step if you haven't already read part 13.3 of the vic guide to vehicle modIfication:

These are both options of not meeting VSB 14 (NCOP and ADR's). The NCOP enables lifts between 50 and 150mm with an engineering certificate and lane change test results... (I think). This would be an expensive but only viable option to run 33's on a TJ and stay tikityboo.

Most people in VIC go with the VSI options and find engineering certs and lane change tests too much hassle or too expensive or have no clue about the shit and just do what they want when they want and what looks good to the eye goes on the car (I wish I was more like that a lot of the time)

I think option 1 is a better way to go but will limit you to 75mm lift + tyres. If you need 33's I'd say maybe consider a JK or other 4wd that comes with 32"s stock

I dont think the laws were grandfathered so I assume a lot of people are potentially in a place they don't realise with there existingly moded vehicles when the new laws were bought in.

There are some insurance companies that say they will cover you as long as you fully disclose all modifications (I think this says a fair bit about the arguments against the ADR's). However from my business law study I seem to remember that it is a condition of coverage that the vehicle be in a fit state for the intended journey. The next argument is where meeting or not meeting ADR's or state roadworthiness laws puts you in relation to fitness for the journey. There are some parts of Australia where meeting the easier parts of ADR's mean your vehicle is probably not fit for the particular track that is open for public access however 150mm with an Engineering cert is available... Is an Engineering cert an undue impost that causes people to not have there vehicles properly modified for the track idk...

I'd say the laws being new are still fairly untested and the cautious approach would be to stick with one of the options in the VSI or get an engineering certificate under the NCOP it may actually not be that expensive I have no idea. If you find your already modified vehicle outside of all the options id say choose an insurer that has vested interest in the 4x4 industry (Club for instance). Also make sure that you disclose all modifications and check they are listed on your policy.

In the meantime write a letter to your local MP share your disgust for the Nany state laws and let everyone with a 4x4 know how ridiculous they are.

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I'm not sure about TJs, but there are some larger lifts for the JK that can be engineered for only ~$600, DBOR has a few and the AEV 3.5 kits can be engineered through Jeep Konnection.
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