Can I snatch off ARB bar? It's got a winch.

[LeighP]

I agree...a bridle is a good idea. Spreads the pull evenly.

[outbreakmonkey]

If it's got a winch then why risk a snatch?

[mowerman]

Thanks all for your feedback. i will get a bridle strap then, as the vehicle is leased with the gear, I really don't want to change the bar.

[fwdjeep]

Originally Posted by mowerman

Thanks all for your feedback. i will get a bridle strap then, as the vehicle is leased with the gear, I really don't want to change the bar.

Just make sure its a Bridle and not a tree trunk protector
The bridle will give a bit just like the strap but the tree trunk protector will not.

ARB store tried to sell me the tree trunk protecotr to use as a bridle.
Some times they have no idea.

[Wazza D]

Originally Posted by NTRubicon

Where possible snatch a joining strap to even the load on the chassis rails, but if you have a winch you shouldn't need to rely on a snatch recovery very often

ARB won't back their points because they could be liable if they do and something goes wrong.

Actually, that is correct.
Also, before the liability issue arose, ARB did refer to these points as recovery points.
I have never been snatched from the front on this bar, generally because where the need for recovery occurred, it has been more convenient to use the winch.
On the other hand, where Toyota drivers and the like push their ambitions past their capabilities, I have had the need to carry out a reverse snatch or two. Fortunatly, they can't drive them too far into the shit to become a difficult snatch, therfore only a light tug is required.
Anyhow, I use the, whatever you want to call them, points but simply apply a bit of decorum and common sense.
I think most Jeep owners have bigger issues at the other end, but I won't bring up these issues again. I have substantial recovery points at the rear of mine as this is where I am more likely to require some serious forces.

[timbotrog]

No one sells a front bar that has "rated" recovery points on it, no one. They all describe them as tie down points or something similar. It is purely for covering their own arse if the customer does something stupid and turns around and tries to blame the manufacturer.

I cannot being to count the amount of times I've either seen or taken part in recoveries with JK's using the ARB front bar and its built in points.

During the national 4x4 show in Melbourne last year vehicle recovery demonstrations were carried out by 4WD VIC using several JK's from MJOC, with the majority being fitted with ARB front bars, only a single point was used during snatch recoveries and winch recoveries.

The more equipment you introduce into a recovery situation the more that can go wrong.

Is it safe? It's just as safe as using an equalising strap without any training in the correct way to use it. I have seen vehicles rolled due to the incorrect use of an equalising strap.
If you're lucky enough that the recovery is in an exact straight line with the recovering vehicle the setup of an equalising strap is pretty easy, but even if it's a little off line and the strap isn't set correctly, the "pull" on the equaliser will not be even and the force will be sent unevenly through the strap causing the majority of the load to go through a single point on the vehicle.

The ARB front bar is mounted via 10 grade 8 rated bolts through all 3 axis. When I fitted mine I thought that the engineering design was definitely adequate for recovery and winching purposes.

[Wazza D]

Originally Posted by timbotrog

No one sells a front bar that has "rated" recovery points on it, no one. They all describe them as tie down points or something similar. It is purely for covering their own arse if the customer does something stupid and turns around and tries to blame the manufacturer.

I cannot being to count the amount of times I've either seen or taken part in recoveries with JK's using the ARB front bar and its built in points.

During the national 4x4 show in Melbourne last year vehicle recovery demonstrations were carried out by 4WD VIC using several JK's from MJOC, with the majority being fitted with ARB front bars, only a single point was used during snatch recoveries and winch recoveries.

The more equipment you introduce into a recovery situation the more that can go wrong.

Is it safe? It's just as safe as using an equalising strap without any training in the correct way to use it. I have seen vehicles rolled due to the incorrect use of an equalising strap.
If you're lucky enough that the recovery is in an exact straight line with the recovering vehicle the setup of an equalising strap is pretty easy, but even if it's a little off line and the strap isn't set correctly, the "pull" on the equaliser will not be even and the force will be sent unevenly through the strap causing the majority of the load to go through a single point on the vehicle.

The ARB front bar is mounted via 10 grade 8 rated bolts through all 3 axis. When I fitted mine I thought that the engineering design was definitely adequate for recovery and winching purposes.

Yep.
The bar has to be strong enough to support a winch function.
That accounts for the weight in an ARB bar for those of you who have had the opportunity to lift one by hand.
But as an arse covering exercise, precautions have to be taken while there are such stiff liability acts in play and the world is still breeding idiots.